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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh I dunno, birth control for the darkies without consent? LOL Even if it were true (which I doubt the narrative is even remotely what it seems to be) lets put it into a loittle perspective shall we? In America we've killed 55 million potential humans since the 70's. We gave darkies LSD, experimented on them, we keep Native Americans drunk and isolated, but Israel giving out BC to the darkies is bad...

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't have a problem with sneaking BC to people in over populated countries if they won't do it voluntarily.
    You are ethically challenged then.
    And, these people are living in Israel , not Ethiopia.
    I may be wrong.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There has been an investigation.
    Oh. Awesome. Can you point me towards that peer reviewed study so that I may read it for myself?
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Oh. Awesome. Can you point me towards that peer reviewed study so that I may read it for myself?
    The allegations have yet to warrant one.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Don't get me wrong, Eco. I lean toward there not being an institutionalized program of sterilization myself. I just do not see enough evidence of it's absence to reject the hypothesis and accept the null, yet. It warrants further investigation (it might only be investigation on my part of existing literature, though)
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The allegations have yet to warrant one.
    And that's where you display your bias.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And that's where you display your bias.
    No, I accept that the hundreds of pages and numerous discussions prior to this TV show, and the TV show itself, and the international attention and the overarching population considerations have sufficed to illustrate that there is nothing behind these allegations. While I do not oppose further investigation, I also do not believe that we need government grants to study the possibilities of the Easter Bunny.

    Now, as scientists, we, of course, cannot completely discount the possiblity of the Easter Bunny. But does it warrant a peer reviewed study?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, I accept that the hundreds of pages and numerous discussions prior to this TV show, and the TV show itself, and the international attention and the overarching population considerations have sufficed to illustrate that there is nothing behind these allegations.
    So by rejecting evidence which you have arbitrarily (and via logical fallacy) decided to reject, you have decided there is nothing behind the allegations?

    The fact that there were some people discovered, even if cherry picking was involved, who claimed that they were coerced into taking the shots as the only way to emigrate, warrants further investigation on the matter. If only to discover whether or not separate individuals involved need to be prosecuted.

    Also, your use of the Easter bunny as a way to argue in favor of engaging in a logical fallacy displays a lack of understanding regarding the difference between absence of evidence and evidence of absence.

    The allegations of coercion coupled with the statement in response to those allegations indicates that further investigation is necessary to determine 1. if there was any coercion 2. if so, how widespread it was, and 3. whether or not there were any directives from any officials involved to perform such coercion.

    You are rejecting the coercion hypothesis out of hand based on the fallacious exclusion of evidence. Without the investigation, though, one cannot reject the hypothesis of coercive governmental involvement logically.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So by rejecting evidence which you have arbitrarily (and via logical fallacy) decided to reject, you have decided there is nothing behind the allegations?
    I have not rejected any evidence. I've examined everything available, including pop dynamic considerations, and come to the conclusion that there is nothing significant or substantive behind the allegations of institutional sterilization. I reject the sensationalist and unfounded conclusions of group, institutional and/or state institutional discriminatory and coercive sterilization.

    Could there be institutional discriminatory coercive sterilization? Sure, it's possible - anything's possible. And monkeys could fly out my butt. Perhaps we need a super-mega peer reviewed investigation into the possibility that monkeys do, in fact, fly out my butt, before we abandon such foolishness. Just to be scientific and "fair" (you know, to all the possibilities).
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I have not rejected any evidence. I've examined everything available, including pop dynamic considerations, and come to the conclusion that there is nothing significant or substantive behind the allegations of institutional sterilization.
    By saying that the allegations are not significant, you are rejecting the evidence. You have done this based on fallacy.

    And monkeys could fly out my butt. Perhaps we need a super-mega peer reviewed investigation into the possibility that monkeys do, in fact, fly out my butt. Before we, you know, abandon such foolishness. Just to be scientific.
    Again, you demonstrate a distinct inability to understand the difference between absence of evidence and evidence of absence here. There is evidence of absence in the monkeys flying out of your butt scenario.

    For example, monkeys do not have the necessary physical characteristics for flight. This is demonstrable by virtue of the laws of physics.

    Second of all, we have evidence which would suggest that your rectum is, at the very least, an inhospitable place for mammalian life to exist.

    Finally, we can actually look directly into your ass and see that there are monkeys absent from that location (direct, observational absence of evidence). Now, you might be able to shove a dozen or so monkeys into your ass, but with the first and second things being known we can say that the worst case scenario would be that monkey corpses might be excreted from your ass under certain specific conditions, but monkeys will not fly out of your ass at any point in the future.

    We can say this because there is evidence of absence. Evidence which suggests that monkey flight is absent. Evidence which suggests that monkey survival in a human rectum is absent. And evidence which suggests that a monkey presence in said rectum is also absent.

    We are not discussing an absence of evidence, however. In fact, if your claim was "and some creature of some sort might fly out of my butt", we'd have to allow for that possibility, and indeed, after investigation we'd eventually be able to prove that yes, some creature of some sort probably will "fly" out of your butt. Or, more correctly, some bacterial organisms will probably be forcefully expelled through the air from your sphincter at some point.

    But we had to investigate the issue in order to make that determination
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