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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Accepting the negative given a lack of any real evidence of the positive is entirely rational, logical and reasonable.
    Two things.

    First: You are not the arbiter of what "real" evidence is. You have arbitrarily decided that the evidence is not real by virtue of the appeal to authority fallacy. that is, by it's very nature, illogical.

    Second: There is plenty of real evidence to warrant further investigation into the hypothesis (and not just from the television program. The comments from the government officials are actually plenty to warrant further investigation in and of themselves).

    There isn't enough data to make any claim in either direction. One can lean in one direction, but you are actively rejecting the hypothesis in the absence of any investigation. That's terrible science and logic.

    Also, your attempts to claim that this is similar to truthers, UFOs and birthers displays a distinct inability to recognize the important difference between an absence of evidence (which leads to fallacious reasoning) and evidence of absence (which does not).

    There is evidence of absence in certain cases, which leads to a tentative rejection of hypothesis and acceptance of the null.

    There is no evidence of absence in this case.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    One cannot rationally and logically lean in the direction of institutional sterilization. Your premise (and, expectedly enough, conclusion) is false.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    One cannot rationally and logically lean in the direction of institutional sterilization.
    The existence of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment indicates that your position of incredulity is a bit naive at best.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Oh I dunno, birth control for the darkies without consent? LOL Even if it were true (which I doubt the narrative is even remotely what it seems to be) lets put it into a loittle perspective shall we? In America we've killed 55 million potential humans since the 70's. We gave darkies LSD, experimented on them, we keep Native Americans drunk and isolated, but Israel giving out BC to the darkies is bad...

    I love hypocrisy..


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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The existence of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment indicates that your position of incredulity is a bit naive at best.
    The evidence known in this case, the examination of events prior to this TV show and surrounding evidence of insurmountable height all points to typical difficulties experienced in every planned parenthood program everywhere in the world and especially in regard to pre demographic transition populations.

    Leaning in the direction of institutional sterilization is like leaning in the direction of God exists. If someone wants to do that, fine, but don't tell me that accepting the negative, lacking any real evidence, is a matter of faith or bias.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh I dunno, birth control for the darkies without consent? LOL Even if it were true (which I doubt the narrative is even remotely what it seems to be) lets put it into a loittle perspective shall we? In America we've killed 55 million potential humans since the 70's. We gave darkies LSD, experimented on them, we keep Native Americans drunk and isolated, but Israel giving out BC to the darkies is bad...

    I love hypocrisy..


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    Yeah, because 1970, the 1800s and today are the same!

    ?

    Did you actually just apologize for (presumably) institutional sterilization based on what you think happened in the 1800s?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yeah, because 1970, the 1800s and today are the same!


    ?
    Human nature hasn't changed much, if at all my friend..


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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Human nature hasn't changed much, if at all my friend..


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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Leaning in the direction of institutional sterilization is like leaning in the direction of God exists.
    And there are rational and logical reasons to lean toward the direction of God existing. there are also logical and rational reasons to lean the other direction. This is quite different from the god hyptheisis, though, as investigation which leads to the ability to fully reject or accept the null hypothesis can actually occur (the hypothesis CAN be tested).

    If someone wants to do that, fine, but don't tell me that accepting the negative, lacking any real evidence, is a matter of faith or bias.
    Nobody is telling you that. They are telling you that accepting the null hypotheses without investigation is a matter of faith or bias. And it is.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Nobody is telling you that. They are telling you that accepting the null hypotheses without investigation is a matter of faith or bias. And it is.
    There has been an investigation. If we are to assume the context of this thread, there is that, and one must lean away from the affirmative based on this story. Then there is other evidence, as this is not the first such allegation. Those allegations, and responses, can be examined as well. Then we can consider population data and population dynamics with attention to gender issues.

    Having done all of those things, and exausted the available evidence both in this TV story and otherwise, one would need to be operating on faith to lean in the direction of institutional sterilization.
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