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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    wider conspiracy =/= genocide. More than 30 women administered injections deceptively =/= not genocide large institutional bias =/= genocide
    If you consider a sensationalist TV show to be possible evidence of institutionalized sterilization, then why not just get your "suspicions" from random people on the street?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If you consider a sensationalist TV show to be possible evidence of institutionalized sterilization, then why not just get your "suspicions" from random people on the street?
    Are you even remotely familiar with the TV show, or are you attacking it out of ignorance, as well?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    I think the reactive uber PC left gets confused on the jew as minority issue. Being that they can look white, are generally well off as a demographic (in the west), and are very well organized politically (to say AIPEC is amazingly well run and organized is a pretty big understatement) given their size.


    Add to that a healthy dose of cultural relativism, and you got people that will tolerate some extremely shady characters

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Are you even remotely familiar with the TV show, or are you attacking it out of ignorance, as well?
    It's not a research paper. Look at the cherry picked "results". For the love of God, look at the conclusions!

    And think to yourself...

    Really??

    Based on what?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not a research paper. Look at the cherry picked "results". For the love of God, look at the conclusions!

    And think to yourself...

    Really??

    Based on what?
    so you are not remotely familiar with the program? You would think one would address this prior to calling it sensationalist, the results "cherry picked", etc. In fact, one would think a basic familiarity with what the program actually stated would be vital to such things

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

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    so you are not remotely familiar with the program? You would think one would address this prior to calling it sensationalist, the results "cherry picked", etc. In fact, one would think a basic familiarity with what the program actually stated would be vital to such things
    Is it a peer reviewed article being presented? No. It's just a TV person who asked a few questions and made up some stats. This story is clearly agendized and sensationalist - that's obvious.

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    Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is it a peer reviewed article being presented? No. It's just a TV person who asked a few questions and made up some stats. This story is clearly agendized and sensationalist - that's obvious.
    Investigative journalism doesn't tend to operate under the scientific method. It's generally a hypothesis generator that the government or independent organisation may want to apply more rigorous analysis toward.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Investigative journalism doesn't tend to operate under the scientific method. It's generally a hypothesis generator that the government or independent organisation may want to apply more rigorous analysis toward.
    And yet I am expected to formally dismiss uncited pop data and cherry picked "results", without access to the "study" itself. As if I am obligated to dig deeper, into the TV show's "study" that's not gonna get released.

    Why am I obligated to formally address a ghost in order to be allowed to reasonably dismiss it? What is this, some kind of "well, you gotta have faith that it doesn't exist!" crap? Accepting the negative, given no real evidence of the affirmative (especially on something world-shaking) is some kind of religion now?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And yet I am expected to formally dismiss uncited pop data and cherry picked "results", without access to the "study" itself. As if I am obligated to dig deeper, into the TV show's "study" that's not gonna get released.
    Actually, the report would be comparable to observational data which suggests that further investigation is necessary in order to reject either the hypothesis or the null hypothesis. You are rejecting the hypothesis and accepting the null hypothesis in the absence of any such study.

    Example: If someone were to claim that they have observed a single crow eating it's young, it would suggest that a study is necessary to make either of the following claims: A. Crows will occasionally eat their young (hypothesis) or B. Crows will not eat their young (null hypothesis).

    What you are doing is basically saying, "I do not believe that the person claiming to have made the observation is credible for whatever arbitrary reasons I have decided to assail their credibility with (appeal to authority fallacy in this case, specifically) thus there is no need to study this further because I reject hypothesis and accept the null hypothesis as true based solely on my personal opinions of the alleged witness.

    That's bad science.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Accepting the negative given a lack of any real evidence of the positive is entirely rational, logical and reasonable. Claims, especially wild ones, without any real evidence, can - and should - be dismissed out of hand.

    We cannot be expected to entertain every outrageous allegation until every last shred of evidence is re-examined and every question answered. That's a snipe hunt. That's the kind of reasoning that perpetuates truthers, UFOers, birthers and the like. The "I must allow for the possibility of ANYTHING to be true until proven otherwise!" That's cult-think, crazy people.
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