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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    For many developing world women, reproductive control is a difficult thing. Men have control in households and taking a pill each day might not fly. As these women are aware of the impacts of having many children, they are desperate for a way to control their lives and the lives of their children. Under such circumstance, I can see two things possibly happening:

    1. The woman take the shot because they know they do not need another child, at least not so close to another birth, and their husband will not go along with daily pills.
    2. The women feign ignorance when asked during what would become a public investigation, to excuse their actions from their husbands.


    Now, maybe Israel did sterilize immigrants out of racism and state purity, but the above explanation has at least as much chance of being the driving force.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

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    It was decided that the Israeli Law of Return applied to the Beta Israel in March 14, 1977 after a Halakhic and constitutional discussions.[7] The Israeli and American governments have mounted aliyah operations, most notably during Operation Brothers in Sudan between 1979-1990 (which includes the major operations Moses and Joshua)[8] and in the 1990s from Addis Ababa (which includes Operation Solomon).

    The related Falash Mura are the descendants of Beta Israel who converted to Christianity. Some are returning to the practices of Judaism, living in communities and returning to Judaism. Beta Israel spiritual leaders, including Liqa Kahnet Raphael Hadane have argued for the acceptance of the Falash Mura as Jews.[9] [B]The Israeli government applied to the Falash Mura the resolution 2948 in February 16, 2003 which gives those who are descendants from Jewish mothers lineage the right to emigrate to Israel under the Entry Law and to obtain citizenship only if they converted to Orthodox Judaism.[[/B]10] This resolution is a matter of controversy within Israeli society.[11][12][13][14]

    Nice.

    "Okay, we admit you might be some kind of Jew but you have to give up your christianity if you want to come to Israel because not only do we not want a bunch of half Jew darkies running around the Temple, we certainly don't want any darkie Christians."

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    We are speaking biology folks. This isn't hard.
    They were not rendered sterile at all.

    1 a process or act that renders a person unable to produce children. See also hysterectomy, tubal ligation, vasectomy.

    They were and still are able to "produce" children.
    They were not sterilized.
    A person cannot produce children whilst they are rendered infertile through chemical means.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Israel Admits ‘Shameful’ Birth Control Drug Injected in Unaware Ethiopian Jews

    Israel Admits

    The Israeli government has tacitly acknowledged injecting Ethiopian women immigrating to Israel with a long-acting contraceptive without their knowledge, telling them they couldn't come into the country if they didn't take the shot, which the women thought was a vaccination.

    Many have called the practice appallingly racist.

    The shots are being blamed for a 50 percent drop in the birth rate in Israel's Ethiopian community over the past decade.

    There are about 120,000 Jews of Ethiopian origin living in Israel, about a third of them born in Israel. There have long been conspiracy theories circulating about forced sterilization. But after a documentary aired last month on Israel's Educational Network, Health Ministry Director General Ron Gamzu has banned Israel's health maintenance organizations from injecting Ethiopian women with the contraceptive Depo-Provera.

    CRAP! WE GOT CAUGHT!
    Crap! Nothing.
    Is there a quote in that piece that passes as an article for you?
    That article that they got from the atlantablackstar?

    Tacitly? iLOL

    It is the same information.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Why would Israel sterilize fellow Jews? Given the ethnic division in Israel/Palestine, would more Jewish citizens be ideal?
    Real Jews don't run marathons?
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Which is why I cited a medical dictionary ...




    did the process leave them "unable to produce children"? Yes, on a temporary basis. Hence "temporary sterilization".

    Not sure how this really speaks to the issue though
    Exactly. The issue is not whether or not there was sterilization, as all parties seem to agree that sterilization occurred. The issue is whether or not the sterilization was done without the informed consent of those who were sterilized.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.
    I'm no Pali fan and I do have a respect for Israel, but after what we've seen what the State of Israel would do to actual Jews who have established their provenance through matrilineal heritage, what would stop them from doing anything they wanted to non Jew Muslims?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly. The issue is not whether or not there was sterilization, as all parties seem to agree that sterilization occurred. The issue is whether or not the sterilization was done without the informed consent of those who were sterilized.
    Based upon what you've read, do you have any doubt?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    For many developing world women, reproductive control is a difficult thing. Men have control in households and taking a pill each day might not fly. As these women are aware of the impacts of having many children, they are desperate for a way to control their lives and the lives of their children. Under such circumstance, I can see two things possibly happening:

    1. The woman take the shot because they know they do not need another child, at least not so close to another birth, and their husband will not go along with daily pills.
    2. The women feign ignorance when asked during what would become a public investigation, to excuse their actions from their husbands.


    Now, maybe Israel did sterilize immigrants out of racism and state purity, but the above explanation has at least as much chance of being the driving force.
    One option you are overlooking is that individuals, possibly large and influential groups of them, administered this program independent of the state, but through official channels. Israelis can be extremely nationalist, especially on the fringe

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