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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    of course ... How could I ever come to any other conclusion
    I don't think there's any way for me to answer that safely. Lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I didn't say it was sad to be skeptical. Here's what I said:



    "Refusing to believe" is beyond "skeptical". These are the people that come up with a conclusion and then seek evidence to support that conclusion.Good grief, look at how many posts have been dedicated to what "sterilization" means as if it mattered to what the accusations claim. Tucker did a nice job in exposing their fail. They seemed all too ready to assist him in that endeavor.
    IMO that (the bolded part) better describes those who want to believe the worst about Israel.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Actually, it is. I've examined the "method" and the "results" and I've provided an educated criticism of them. Reading the entire "study" conducted by the TV show is not necessary to dismiss genocide as a conclusion, based upon the results obtained and even including the uncited pop data.
    But you would be creating a false dichotomy again, because the possibilities are not simply nothing happened and genocide. Also you haven't even reviewed the program that you are attempting to critique. You are simply dismissing it out of hand. hardly an intellectual position that stands on it's own merits

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I'm typing this real slow so pay attention.

    There are accusations that the Israeli Government is misrepresenting the purpose and the substance which they are injecting into allegedly targeted Ethiopian Jews. One of the side effects was that ovulation was inhibited in these women without their knowledge.

    I don't care about your semantic argument as it isn't central to what the real issue is here.
    Now you pay close attention, as I am going to type and post this at normal speed, and I do not want you to miss what you already did.

    Your position was already addressed.

    Good grief is right!
    Contraception is different from sterilization. Far, far different.
    And you don't think it matters?
    You don't think it matters to get the story straight instead of trying to make the base allegations appear more nefarious?

    "Good grief" is right!

    You should try to keep the information correct, regardless of the side you take in an issue.


    Btw, where was it alleged that they were misrepresenting the substance?
    You mean the comment about taking actual immunizations? That one?
    If it was that one you should have read slower, as it was about immunizations.
    Or are you talking about something else?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, we are speaking about a specific incident, and to defend your position on that specific incident you cited the fact that the Israelis freely accepted these people. I pointed out that this was a gross over simplification of the events surrounding their immigration into Israel. So am unsure how responding to something YOU brought up, to defend your position in the discussion, has no place in the discussion
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    Over simplification?
    Well let me over simplify it for you (cough) again then.

    They were accepted into Israel by the Government.
    Were they not?
    Why yes they were.

    The history surrounding their acceptance pretty much has no bearing on the fact that they were actually accepted.
    Why?
    Because it doesn't change the fact that they were accepted. Nor could it change that fact.
    That fact stands on it's own.

    Hence, any comment about a "complex history" is irrelevant to my comment of them being accepted and the unlikelihood that a government would accept them only to purposely sterilize them?
    To believe such is beyond absurdity.

    And you trying to tie my comment addressing yours of a "complex history" with the present topic of discussion, is ridiculous, as you yourself were addressing the history of that subject and not this topic.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If it was that one you should have read slower, as it was about immunizations.
    Or are you talking about something else?
    Actually, if I recall correctly (feel free to quote the relevant material if I am wrong), someone (ecofarm I believe) correctly pointed out immunizations would be part of any relocation program. That doesn't mean the individuals in question weren't also given depo under the guise of an immunization

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    But you would be creating a false dichotomy again, because the possibilities are not simply nothing happened and genocide. Also you haven't even reviewed the program that you are attempting to critique. You are simply dismissing it out of hand. hardly an intellectual position that stands on it's own merits
    I allowed for several "possibilities", among them:

    1. State genocide.
    2. Genocide by a group of Israelis.
    3. TV show is BS.


    You refuse to differenciate between those, no matter any amount of education, logic or reason.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    IMO that (the bolded part) better describes those who want to believe the worst about Israel.
    I know. That's why you've been trying to play "Gotcha!" with me and not digsbe who said the same thing essentially about people who believe anything bad about Israel. There are two sides that are equally bad. Then there are people who not like that who get accused of being like that as an automatic rebuttal.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Occam's Razor


    which is the most likely scenario going on here?

    attempt at mass genocide, or administrative error?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Now you pay close attention, as I am going to type and post this at normal speed, and I do not want you to miss what you already did.

    Your position was already addressed.

    Good grief is right!
    Contraception is different from sterilization. Far, far different.
    And you don't think it matters?
    You don't think it matters to get the story straight instead of trying to make the base allegations appear more nefarious?

    "Good grief" is right!

    You should try to keep the information correct, regardless of the side you take in an issue.


    Btw, where was it alleged that they were misrepresenting the substance?
    You mean the comment about taking actual immunizations? That one?
    If it was that one you should have read slower, as it was about immunizations.
    Or are you talking about something else?
    What are you talking about?
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring99 View Post
    Occam's Razor


    which is the most likely scenario going on here?

    attempt at mass genocide, or administrative error?
    false dichotomy

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