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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I saw one women quoted. That's what we're gonna base these accusations on?
    from the article posted earlier:

    <<<About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women’s testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel’s Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection. “They told us they are inoculations,” said one of the women interviewed. “They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.”>>>

    again, could these women be lying ? Sure. Does that amount to them lying? No

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    Can you imagine the front page news if this happened in the US or Europe? One standard for Israel and another for everyone else.
    If this had happened here, I would think it was some kind of an error too. I find it totally outrageous that a bunch of governmental officials would get together and be organized enough to pull off something like this, not to mention to take the risk to do it, or be motivated enough to bother to do it, or even really think about doing it. Kind of far-fetched that this was done purposefully IMO.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's what I was thinking too. An administrative or some other kind of error. The article is sorely lacking in any kind of details.
    Here is an article from the Jewish Daily Forward. It may help answer your doubts.
    Ethiopian Women Claim Israel Gave Birth Control Shots Against Will

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    from the article posted earlier:

    <<<About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women’s testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel’s Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection. “They told us they are inoculations,” said one of the women interviewed. “They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.”>>>

    again, could these women be lying ? Sure. Does that amount to them lying? No
    Perhaps the woman quoted was too malnurished to give birth. The immigrants of 1991 weren't exactly in great shape, running from war in Ethiopia.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    This is an absolute outrage!!!!! Or maybe just ironic. Don't care about Israel; don't care about Ethiopia.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Here is an article from the Jewish Daily Forward. It may help answer your doubts.
    Ethiopian Women Claim Israel Gave Birth Control Shots Against Will
    Well...

    “They said, ‘Come, there are vaccinations, gather everyone,” Amawaish Alane, an Ethiopian immigrant to Israel, told “Vacuum” reporter Gal Gabbay in the Dec. 8 broadcast. “We said we wouldn’t receive it. They said, ‘You won’t move to Israel.’ ”

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    That's probably actually vaccinations and they could not travel to Israel without them. There's no evidence to link this to contraception shots, it's just a disjointed story line that's trying to imply what is not stated.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 01-29-13 at 08:19 PM.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Here is an article from the Jewish Daily Forward. It may help answer your doubts.
    Ethiopian Women Claim Israel Gave Birth Control Shots Against Will
    Okay, it says doctors coerced or coaxed the women into receiving the shots. It doesn't say anything about the government being involved. It is still real short on details though. There are no numbers given or anything! How many women? How many clinics or hospitals were involved? Why did the doctors coax these particular women into the shot? Was there a medical reason?

    Sorry, your article sucks.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did I say that 24107 is a Liberal?
    Pretty much, yeah.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    You know that physicians will OFTEN try to coax women into doing things that they think are the right choice. Perhaps some of these women had 4, 5, 6 or more children? A lot of times doctors will advise that you not have more children if you have had that many because of many different complications that can arise due to weakening of the uterus and supportive structures. So to assume that there some kind of "population control" at hand is kind of silly IMO.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Perhaps the woman quoted was too malnurished to give birth. The immigrants of 1991 weren't exactly in great shape, running from war in Ethiopia.
    As I said previously, there could be all manner of explanation to this, but there isn't much evidence pointing to any of them atm

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