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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I have already said that in either case it was wrong.
    But the issue of terminology had arisen when Tucker tried to conflate them. (he's still trying, LOL)

    Try and control your petty personal issues please. 'Third man in' and all that.
    Thank you.
    I merely utilized a real source for definitions in order to obtain a definition.

    It is not my fault you utilize incompetent methods for finding out what words mean.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    What do you want me to call them? Israel didn't do this TO ANY OTHER GROUP OF ALIYAH CANDIDATES then the darkies. All whities were encouraged to breed without hesitation to bolster their numbers against the non Jews.
    What's up with the racial crap? My comments were in regard to developing world women (and accompanying social structure) and had nothing to do with color.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you know what I find sad? That you have nothing to add to this discussion but vague accusations of antisemitism, yet seem intent on contributing to it. Not to mention, he was "saddened" by the outright denial of even the possibility of such happening, when these same people would never feel the same (rightly) about any other government.

    Seriously, grow the f*ck up
    I'm not accusing anyone of anti-Semitism at all. Who has denied even the possibility? You're spinning.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ah, so it's my fault you are trying to argue a point out hat does not matter in an effort to downplay what was allegedly done. I see how it works.
    No, it's your fault because you succumbed to the passions of the moment and took sides/third man in, etc.
    This especially unbecoming/Inappropriate for obvious reasons.

    And you further Failed to acknowledge - Again - that I Already said it was wrong in either case.

    Had you not succumbed to personal grudge you might have seen that, because it made your comment off base and the otherwise strictly personal one it was.


    EDIT: I see Tucker is still trying to turn Temporary Birth Control into permanent 'sterilization'.
    Periodic Depo injections are NOT 'sterilization'... Obviously.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    pretty basic knowledge he was using...Id accept that..
    It's pretty basic knowledge that sterilize means "any procedure by which an individual is made incapable of reproduction" but yet we still have people here arguing that it doesn't mean that, and using non-dictionary sources to make their cases, no less. Go figure.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What's up with the racial crap? My comments were in regard to developing world women (and accompanying social structure) and had nothing to do with color.
    In case you didn't notice, that was a response to a query by Travis.

    Please keep up.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    No, it's your fault because you succumbed to the passions of the moment and took sides/third man in, etc.
    This especially unbecoming/Inappropriate for obvious reasons.

    And you further Failed to acknowledge - Again - that I Already said it was wrong in either case.

    Had you not succumbed to personal grudge you might have seen that, because it made your comment off base and the strictly personal one it was.
    One of us seems to be passionate about this. It's not me. I am simply pointing out what your motives appear to be. Your claim that I failed to acknowledge something is odd, since my claim had nothing to do with that.

    You also seem to think I actually care enough about you to have a personal grudge. I don't. I could not care less about you personally. When you have to attack the person pointing out the flaws in your argument, you might stop and consider just how weak your point is.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    And more, this from the anti-Semitic LA TImes.

    Amid controversy, Israel issues new birth-control guidelines - Los Angeles Times

    The ministry's new policy comes in response to a controversy exposed last month by local investigative journalist Gal Gabbay, who reported that Jewish Ethiopian women awaiting emigration to Israel in transit camps in Ethiopia were coaxed into the treatment with little medical explanation and led to understand this was a condition for moving to Israel.

    Around 120,000 Jews from Ethiopian origin live in Israel; roughly a third of them are Israeli born. In 2010, the government decided to bring to Israel the 2,000 Jews remaining in the African country and close the transit camps currently run by the Jewish Agency For Israel by the end of this year.

    Immigrant women told the reporter this was the standard practice in the transit camps run by Jewish and Israeli agencies in Ethiopia in the last decade. Many women continued the course of treatment in Israel, where a sharp decline in birth rate has been noted among the Ethiopian community over the past decade.

    Depo-Provera, the brand name of a long-acting contraceptive injection, is a highly effective method of birth control but possible side effects include a decrease in bone density that puts women at increased risk for osteoporosis and fractures later on. That and other side effects are not immediately reversible, and returning to fertility can be a lengthy process. In addition, withdrawal symptoms can be acute.

    Relatively few healthy women in Israel choose the injection without specific medical reasons.


    The expose sparked claims of mistreatment and racism, and prompted rights organizations to file official protests. The ministry official's letter stressed the new guidelines did not constitute a position on the claims and relate to all women, not just those from Ethiopian.

    Doctors will be required to ensure the patients seeking birth control of their own free will and understand the treatment. Where needed, consultation will be aided by medical translation services and cultural facilitators from the Ethiopian community.

    Ziva Mekonen-Dego, chief executive of the Israel Assn. for Ethiopian Jews, welcomed the ministry's response but said this was the bare minimum. "We expect the health ministry to take full responsibility for the women," she said. Together with the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, the organizations demand the ministry assemble a team of health-care professionals and cultural facilitators to supervise the women's medical and emotional welfare.

    The health ministry has denied responsibility for the practice but Mekonen-Dego noted the authorities were aware of the high rates of this treatment among such a small population. "This suggests that the ministry collaborated with a racist policy applied to a weakened population and perhaps even guided it," she said. "I am still shocked by this."


    Depo-Provera is sometimes the preferred method of birth control chosen for institutionalized women or recommended for individuals deemed incapable of following a daily regime.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    In case you didn't notice, that was a response to a query by Travis.

    Please keep up.
    You talkin' ta me?

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Originally Posted by ecofarm

    It was not an accusation of racism. It was an accusation that African immigrants are too uninformed to find out what shots they take and what those shots do. Like they would not ask anyone anything. Like "oh, you know their easily fooled, like children!". No, dude. They find out what their doctors give them, they ask questions.

    That would be a major crime, committed apparently by the state. A crime of, dare I say, Hitler proportions.

    Lots of crazy crap has happened. The question is, should we indict Israel of forced, unknown, sterilization of a minority population based on 30 interviews by one researcher? I say that's stupid. I say my explanation is obvious, the researcher knew it and the researcher went for 15 minutes on what constitutes a small part of a thesis.
    It appears we now have another tier in the argument.

    "Do you honestly believe darkies would be that dumb?"
    That's you putting racist crap in my mouth.

    Pathetic.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To my mind? Several things are sad in this thread:
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    2) Those who are trying to make the point that it is not sterilization as if that makes it better
    ...
    That appears to be a lack of objectivity on your part.
    It is not trying to make things better, but put them in to proper perspective.
    Using the incorrect terminology to cast aspersions is wrong.
    That is far more sad than those trying to correct the record with correct terminology.





    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I actually cited a dictionary. When people want to know what a word means, they use them to find the definitions.
    sterilization - definition of sterilization in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    Sterilize - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    that's two expert sources for definitions, neither of which mention anything about permanence.




    the Mayo clinic and Planned parenthood are not expert sources for definitions of words. Perhaps your assumption that they are is why you have so much trouble with learning how to use words correctly.
    You cited something that did not apply, as they were not sterile, or sterilized.

    And I also cited the same as you to prove you wrong.

    1 a process or act that renders a person unable to produce children. See also hysterectomy, tubal ligation, vasectomy.

    Their egg is still capable of being fertilized. As such they are not sterile.
    The correct wording should be contraceptive, or birth control. Not sterilization.
    Sterilization is improperly used. And it is done to cast aspersions. It is the wrong word, and attempting to use it that way makes it more wrong.

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