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    Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    From today's edition of The Washington Post:

    A key group of senators from both parties will unveil on
    Monday the framework of a broad overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws,
    including a pathway to citizenship for more than 11 million illegal
    immigrants.
    The detailed, four-page statement of principles will carry the
    signatures of four Republicans and four Democrats, a bipartisan push that would
    have been unimaginable just months ago on one of the country’s most emotionally
    divisive issues.
    Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul - The Washington Post

    The principles statement can be found here:

    "Bipartisan Framework for Immigration Reform" report - The Washington Post

    IMO, this framework appears to offer a good step toward realistic immigration reform. Much still has to happen following the formal introduction of this framework before immigration reform becomes law.

    Legislative drafting is still required. Once legislation is drafted that is consistent with the above framework, one can likely expect efforts to amend the legislation, particularly by factions in the House or Senate who prefer the status quo or worse to immigration reform. A filibuster also cannot be ruled out in the Senate, though such an effort can likely be defeated given the bipartisan agreement on the framework.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    This is exactly the same old male bovine excrement proposed several times in the past.

    No more than giving those who broke the law by coming her illegally a chance to register and vote Democrat.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Everyone agrees in principle, that is not news, it is when drafted into actual detailed legislation that the problems occur. It is rediculous to assume that head of line privileges will not be included in these "paths to citizenship". An illegal alien granted FREE access to US K-12 education has a HUGE advantage over a dirt poor African, South/Central American or Asian immigrant. Simply having the abililty to read and write to fill out an application in English gives these "illegals" converted to "legal" applicants an edge. Immigration reform is a joke if done as a "package", as we have seen with ALL prior efforts. Pass each law change spearately and on its own merit; "compromises" make for terrible law since the "popular" stuff gets done and the rest is ignored. Look how "dreamy" Obama has made our current (selectively enforced) immigration law.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Good luck getting anything with amnesty through the house, and anything without it through the Senate. This, like all the others, will be dead on arrival.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    I'm pretty amazed the Senate actually beat the president to it on this one.

    A rare kudos to them for once.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From today's edition of The Washington Post:



    Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul - The Washington Post

    The principles statement can be found here:

    "Bipartisan Framework for Immigration Reform" report - The Washington Post

    IMO, this framework appears to offer a good step toward realistic immigration reform. Much still has to happen following the formal introduction of this framework before immigration reform becomes law.

    Legislative drafting is still required. Once legislation is drafted that is consistent with the above framework, one can likely expect efforts to amend the legislation, particularly by factions in the House or Senate who prefer the status quo or worse to immigration reform. A filibuster also cannot be ruled out in the Senate, though such an effort can likely be defeated given the bipartisan agreement on the framework.
    People who come here illegally should never be granted amnesty or any other form of amnesty. What should be done is to enforce the laws we got now and enact laws that deter illegal immigration and encourage those who are here illegally to leave. Sanctuary states and cities should be banned and those who enact sanctuary laws should be thrown into prison, those who hire illegals should be thrown into prison and subject to asset seizure and forfieture laws that drug dealers are subjected to.Anyone enrolling their kids or themselves into school,opening a bank account,wiring money,buying a car,buying a home, cashing a check or using a credit/debit card, turning on their utilities,applying for tax payer aid, should have to show their state issued ID or driver's license.Anyone getting a state issued driver's license should have to show their birth certificate,certificate of naturalization or green card and a social security card. These things will encourage illegals to go back to their countries. I would hardly call a group of pro-illegal scumbags to be bi-partisan group.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    People who come here illegally should never be granted amnesty or any other form of amnesty. What should be done is to enforce the laws we got now and enact laws that deter illegal immigration and encourage those who are here illegally to leave. Sanctuary states and cities should be banned and those who enact sanctuary laws should be thrown into prison, those who hire illegals should be thrown into prison and subject to asset seizure and forfieture laws that drug dealers are subjected to.Anyone enrolling their kids or themselves into school,opening a bank account,wiring money,buying a car,buying a home, cashing a check or using a credit/debit card, turning on their utilities,applying for tax payer aid, should have to show their state issued ID or driver's license.Anyone getting a state issued driver's license should have to show their birth certificate,certificate of naturalization or green card and a social security card. These things will encourage illegals to go back to their countries. I would hardly call a group of pro-illegal scumbags to be bi-partisan.
    You can't kick out 10 million people, the vast majority of whom are non-violent and likely have family already here in the country. Let's be responsible: self-deportation is not a solution. The only way to get 10 million people out of the country is to go door-to-door and ask everyone for their papers. We don't do that in this country. Let's make them pay some sort of restitution for their illegal activity (paying all back taxes is a decent start you must admit), learn our history, learn Enlgish, and then we can move on to other major issues.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    So if I get this right, their general framework of the plan would be.... (\/ denotes next step...| | denotes at the same time)

    Pass the comprehensive bill
    \/
    Those here illegally may make themselves known and gain "probationary legal status" after a background check and fine. Those with "serious" criminal record or Nat. Sec. risk would be deported
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    Make Enhancements to border security, employee verification, and visa tracking to try and stem the tide of illegals within the country
    \/
    Commission of individuals from the Southwest gives reports on when they believe the security measures have been completed in terms of their intented impact
    \/
    Once it's deemed that the increase security has been put in place and is succeeding, individuals here in a probationary legal status have a path to citizenship that requires them to get "at the back of the line" of all those awaiting for a green card
    | |
    Unless they are someone brought here as a child, at which point a seperate pathway to citizenship that has different requirements will apply to them
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    Unless they are an agricultural worker, at which point a seperate path under an "agriculturer worker program" will apply to them.


    Honestly, it's an interesting thought. I have a few questions, such as what "probationary legal status" will allow for (public benefits like weflare and foodstamps? Voting rights? Etc), about it. I also have a few concerns, such as how the security requirements will ACTUALLY be measured or if there's a cut off for entry to become probationariliy legal, in temrs of it. But the general notion.....strengthening security and enforcement and then deal with those here...is one I can get on board with and the seeming "Security MUST HAPPEN before a green card happens" provides a decent check/balance to make sure that side of the equation actually happens.

    Not a huge fan of it at the moment, but it's much more in the right direction than the previous bill under George W. Bush was. Depending on how the specifics get hammered out, it's something I personally could get behind. However, those specifics being hammered out in the wrong way could easily cause the same type of flood of anger and displeasure with it that caused the last bill to get derailed.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    You can't kick out 10 million people,
    Yes we can.We can do it by doing the following - make it impossible for them to enroll themselves or their kids into school, make it to where they can't get jobs by jailing the scum that hire them, We make to where they can't engage in financial transactions by making it impossible for them to cash a check,wire money,use a credit/debit car or open a bank account.


    the vast majority of whom are non-violent and likely have family already here in the country.
    Irrelevant. They are criminals.


    Let's be responsible: self-deportation is not a solution.
    Amnesty is not responsible. Amnesty encourages illegally immigration. Amnesty amounts to pouring gasoline on a fire and expecting it to be put out.


    The only way to get 10 million people out of the country is to go door-to-door and ask everyone for their papers. We don't do that in this country.
    Either you are a liar or an idiot if you honestly believe that there is only 10 million people in this country illegally. There are more than one way to get rid of illegals than mass deportation. We can get them to self deport themselves.
    Let's make them pay some sort of restitution for their illegal activity (paying all back taxes is a decent start you must admit),
    These people either work under the table, use fraudulent social security cards or steal other people's identities. They also work at low paying jobs for below standard wages, meaning they don't make enough to pay federal income taxes. So with no documentation and even if there was they still don't make enough to pay anything.


    learn our history, learn English, and then we can move on to other major issues.
    Alot of them had since the Reagan Amnesty to learn English.Why would they learn English with all the bi-lingual forms, signs and classes?
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    The senators and everyone in D.C. had better pay attention to what nine out of 10 commenters are writing at the bottom of all the internet news feed articles about the amnesty for illegals lunacy: Don't do it!

    There are 20 million illegals in America who have trespassed, forged identities, and stolen American citizen jobs, classrooms, and other basic-needs resources ..

    .. And instead of prosecuting these criminals, the scumbags in Washington are now all jockey-pandering for position to receive the millions of new votes for their party from former illegals!

    All this in D.C. really is right now is nothing more than a major effort to secure millions of votes each of the two wing-nut parties hopes will make it more powerful!

    And, of course, it will come at the expense of always-legal American citizens and legal immigrants in the form of a cross-industry wage-scale plummet and -- no, duh! -- a resultant economic depression.

    You simply cannot legalize a ton of wage-slaves, at any rate, and not expect them to, even at a considerable raise to minimum wage, not drag multiple industry wage-scales down to that minimum wage that used to be living-wage. It's really a no-brainer.

    The plummeted wage-scales will create a drastic reduction in both retail purchasing power and tax revenues, not only leading to an increase in unemployment, but also forcing not noly more tax hikes for those fortunate enough to be over-worked at a living-wage job, but it will also force more borrowing from China and other foreign powers, complete with a huge increase in that part of the national debt owned by foreign entities.

    Can we say "moving toward a one-world government where America is just an 'equal' city-state"? You bet your Multi-Cultural Internationalist Obama we can, boys and girls!

    So not only is it morally and ethically wrong to let illegals keep their ill-gotten gains at American citizen and legal immigrant expense in a land where rule of law and justice for all is pledged in our allegiance ..

    .. It's just plain economically moronic!

    But the meatheads in D.C., they obviously don't care about doing the right and smart thing -- all they care about is pandering for votes to be the winners in power of the newly legalized illegal's millions of votes.

    So in addition to being morally and ethically wrong and economically stupid, these blatant egregious panderers in D.C. are being huge Benedict Arnolds to every always-legal American citizen and legal immigrant in America!

    Nine out of ten Americans oppose doing anything but getting these 20 million illegals out of our country!

    This is major issue for most Americans, especially city-dwellers who have watched illegals contribute to the creation of unemployed Americans, clog roads and freeways and tollways, shut down emergency care facilities, steal classrooms from their kids, etc., etc., etc.

    The clueless in D.C. better wake fast on this one, as this is a huge issue to the great majority of Americans who do not want to see any kind of permanence assigned to neurosis-causing over-population.

    I mean, really -- what American family wants to see their income reduced via wage-scale plummeting to where they too have to live three, four, five families to a single-family dwelling, just like illegals have done!

    Americans are livid on this issue! Population management is foundational to peace of mind, as any competent sociologist/psychologist will tell you. Indeed, scientific experiments with rats in close quarters has shown that once population density reaches a critical point, the rats begin to attack each other. In many urban areas, that's already happening, thanks to illegals and their tendency to over-populate and crowd three, four and five families to a single-family dwelling.

    That's not the American dream -- that's simply a nightmare that frightens the hell out of American citizens!

    Mark my words --if any kind of amnesty and legalization occurs, I guarantee you, that from what I'm reading out there right now, there will be hell to pay in D.C.!

    D.C. party animals -- you would do well now to listen up and pay attention to your legal citizen constitutents!
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