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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And if we make all these illegals legal then we have to pay them minimum wage, which means prices go up.
    Possibly, or the employers will hire the next crop of illegal immigrants while the amnestied workers move on to better jobs. In my opinion, enforcing the minimum wage laws, and making the minimum wage reasonable, would be the fairest and most effective way to reduce the continued influx of undocumented workers. However, any method that limits the ability of employers to pay substandard wages will cause price increases. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but it insures there will be opposition to such a plan.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    There are people who immigrate illegally who are better citizens than some born here. They deserve a chance to prove it.

    Besides, we're all illegal immigrants.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are people who immigrate illegally who are better citizens than some born here. They deserve a chance to prove it.
    No one who trespasses upon another's soil, forges false identities, and steals another's jobs/classrooms/other resources deserves anything but criminal prosecution, obviously.

    Whatever your issues are with some American citizens is irrelevant with respect to both law and justice for all American citizens.


    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Besides, we're all illegal immigrants.
    False and meaningless, a tired nothing of an argument that reflects the rationally lost position of pro-illegals and their disrespect for justice and rule of law.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are people who immigrate illegally who are better citizens than some born here. They deserve a chance to prove it.

    Besides, we're all illegal immigrants.
    How do you figure? I was born here.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Business in the USA depends on a supply of cheap labor, that is the real driver for lax immigration enforcement much more than liberals.

    If immigration laws were actually enforced the price of goods and services in this country will increase drastically, esp food prices. I don't think most people in the USA really will accept that.
    It's very simple to fix that problem. From the numbers I've seen there area about 10,000,000 Americans on Welfare or Unemployment Insurance. There's your pool of workers right there. If they don't want to do the jobs, fine. They don't get anything from the government. Period. End of problem.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's very simple to fix that problem. From the numbers I've seen there area about 10,000,000 Americans on Welfare or Unemployment Insurance. There's your pool of workers right there. If they don't want to do the jobs, fine. They don't get anything from the government. Period. End of problem.
    Many of the people on welfare are caring for a child or physically unable to do farm work and many other jobs that immigrants work. Requiring a laid-off skilled worker on unemployment to pick fruit instead of letting him/her look for work while on unemployment does not benefit anyone. Just paying the legal workers minimum wage will increase the costs of goods and services.

    "Tuesday, October 04, 2011, 6:00 PM Updated: Tuesday, October 04, 2011, 6:00 PM
    The Associated Press ATLANTA — A farm labor shortage that left crops rotting in the fields after Georgia passed a law cracking down on illegal immigration shows the need for a retooled or expanded guest worker program for migrant laborers, Georgia's agriculture commissioner told a panel of Washington lawmakers Tuesday.

    Commissioner Gary Black testified at a Senate subcommittee hearing on immigration enforcement and farm labor that an informal survey showed farmers of onions, watermelons and other handpicked crops lacked more than 11,000 workers during their spring and summer harvest. Farmers say that's because the Georgia immigration law scared off many migrant workers. Similar complaints are being heard in Alabama with its tough new law.

    Financial incentives aimed at getting unemployed Georgians and even criminals on probation to take their place picking crops were marginally successful, Black said, because the new workers were too slow and often quit because of the strenuous labor involved..........."
    Crackdown on illegal immigrants left crops rotting in Georgia fields, ag chief tells US lawmakers | al.com

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    I'm pretty amazed the Senate actually beat the president to it on this one.

    A rare kudos to them for once.
    well, they wanted to get their option out there before the President wrecked any chance of getting this done. I don't know why except for image, like anyone other than the junkies are paying attention.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, they wanted to get their option out there before the President wrecked any chance of getting this done. I don't know why except for image, like anyone other than the junkies are paying attention.
    Yeah, when I heard senators from both parties had agreed to a a basic framework, I was like "Obama just shut up and let Congress do their job we all know your plan is gonna be too left-wing to pass."

    And what do you know, nothing in Obama's plan about border security ....

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    FWIW, Elizabeth F. Cohen, associate professor at Syracuse University’s Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs, has an op-ed in today's edition of The Washington Post that discusses a path to citizenship for the nation's undocumented immigrants.

    Excerpts:

    Loyalists’ actions prior to the founding could hardly be called exemplary, yet they sought citizenship after the nation was established...

    In 1805 the Supreme Court heard the first case testing whether members of this population could be considered citizens. The court stated that, because the former Loyalists stayed while the states were debating and ratifying the Constitution, they were qualified for citizenship. This and later decisions showed how, over time, the country exercised reason and consent to create citizenship — even allowing the original sin of fighting against the formation of the nation to be forgiven...

    Today we live in a robust democracy, not in a fragile young republic. Yet many people are afraid that naturalizing undocumented or temporary workers who have lived here for years will trivialize our immigration laws. We might learn from the example of our founders, who conquered a far greater fear when they gave citizenship to former Loyalists and created rules for naturalizing new immigrants. People become citizens when they invest years building their lives in this country. Denying them naturalization or selling legal status only to people who can afford high fees and legal expenses doesn’t make our border-control and immigration laws stronger. It makes them unfair.


    Should illegal immigrants become citizens? Let’s ask the founding fathers. - The Washington Post

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    How do you figure? I was born here.
    Ask a Native American.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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