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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    --True they are guilty of a crime. But it is relevant whether they are a threat to society or whether they really want to be here to provide for their families.
    I could care less if they want to provide for their families.They are here illegally. They basically stealing jobs and education and are artificially keeping wages low.

    --Not if the borders are secured as a condition of an amnesty bill. It is, unquestionably, a necessary step in solving the problem long-term
    They could care less about the enforcement provision.This is not the first mass amnesty,they promised enforcement provisions with the Reagan amnesty. Those provisions were gutted or funding was denied.So only a ****en moron believes that these pro-illegal scum in office are serious about enforcement provisions.

    --I've seen estimates that suggest anywhere from 10-30 million illegal aliens are in this country. Consider, however, that it serves society well when they become taxpaying citizens like everyone else.
    And that number will triple or quadruple in twenty years from now just like it did after Reagan amnesty if this Obama amnesty passes..

    What if self-deportation fails and no path to citizenship is granted?
    Its worked in states that enacted strict anti-illegal immigration laws. California is a sanctuary state.As long as scum in office kiss the asses of those who aid and habor illegals in those states they will always be infested with illegals.

    We still have millions of illegals not contributing to the system they benefit from.


    --If they do indeed pay no income tax once granted citizenship, that is a reflection of poor tax policy. Through the other forms of taxation at least they will be contributing something.
    They work low wages jobs, they are not going to contribute just like the 50% of American households already do not pay federal taxes.

    I'm sure the vast majority of those granted amnesty by Reagan speak fluent English. It's absurd to live in a country for decades and not learn the native language.
    Not if you got lots of scum in office who kiss their asses for the votes of those who harbor and aid them.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    You can't kick out 10 million people, the vast majority of whom are non-violent and likely have family already here in the country. Let's be responsible: self-deportation is not a solution. The only way to get 10 million people out of the country is to go door-to-door and ask everyone for their papers. We don't do that in this country. Let's make them pay some sort of restitution for their illegal activity (paying all back taxes is a decent start you must admit), learn our history, learn Enlgish, and then we can move on to other major issues.
    They are still good ideas, it would probably just have to come after the ones who are already here were given a chance to stay. But we can't keep playing this game where we amnesty the last group of illegals without making it harder for future illegals to take their place.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Wait, I don't want to jail American citizens for "non-violent" crimes.
    I wasn't speaking to you directly was I ?

    As an American, and no my descendents DID NOT come here illegally, I'm held responsible if I break the law.

    And lets discuss "descendents". Mine came from England, not a Northern Mexican slum of a dirt poor City were the average IQ is 80 and the average education level is maybe equivalent to a second grader.

    We're talking about giving amnesty to NOT 10 MILLION but close to 30 million criminals.

    Criminals who effectively lower the cumalitive IQ of our nations by merely setting foot in it.

    Criminals that were raised like animals and who leer whistle and stare at my pre-teen duaghters until I tap the glock size hump under my jacket and let them know the world would be a better place without their retardation.

    Criminals who regularly get involved in hit and run accidents, carry no auto ins and no drivers license and walk away from accidents with a handful of tickets they'll never pay, or birth as many litters as possible so as to take advantage of the American social safety net and when doing it lament the Country they cirrently are taking advantage of.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Good luck to the Republicans thinking their party has long-term viability without getting this issue behind them. You cannot get the hispanic vote, in particular, until this is done.... and the Cons can not win the presidency by losing 70-75% of the hispanic vote.

    The Cons have to come up with something and have a large % of their caucus voting for it..... Thinking that you can not have some form of amnesty/ express path to citizenship is naive... there really is no practical alternative
    Exactly -- that's why the activity in D.C. right now is "bipartisan", because the Repubs foolishly think the illegals and their sympathisers will forget that it's been the Dems for years who've pushed amnesty and legalization and that it's the Dems who will fight for higher minium wage for the millions of new legal workers -- not owners and managers -- that amnesty and legalization will cause.



    Joining the push for amnesty and legalization is tantamount to suicide for the Repubs!

    That the Repubs think they can win favor with like-religioned illegals and then manipulate them with guilt via their religion to vote Repub shows just how stupid .. and thoughtlessly desperate .. the Repubs have become.

    The Repubs would do well to continue to block amnesty and legalization, no matter what that means, as it is the right thing to do in every way for American citizens, and that will get noticed .. and remembered on voting day by informed Americans.

    But for liberals to cheer on Repubs in stumping for amnesty and legalization is the height of cynicism and Benedict Arnold betrayl of fellow American citizens, not to mention obvious manipulation.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    And lets discuss "descendents". Mine came from England, not a Northern Mexican slum of a dirt poor City were the average IQ is 80 .....Criminals who effectively lower the cumalitive IQ of our nations by merely setting foot in it.
    In case anyone didn't notice, this is an example of a racist argument that contradicts well established scientific evidence of racial equality.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    This is MUCH better than nothing.

    I am especially glad to see that Jeff Flake is an part of it: he was, for many years, the most reliably libertarian US congressman (after Ron Paul, but without his, eh, "folksy" manner). I was afraid that getting into Senate will change him into a more conventional Republican.

    I don't want to sound like someone in a grip of irrational exhuberance, but this may - just may - be a first step toward restoring the GOP of Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp and Alan Simpson - not the worst version, by far. I'd like to think that some 20 years from now, people will read about the present-day collectivist, police-state atrocities like the Arizona' SB1070 and exclaim: " And Republicans had supported this thing?! No way!"

    Well, there are many things I'd like to think...

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I wasn't speaking to you directly was I ?

    As an American, and no my descendents DID NOT come here illegally, I'm held responsible if I break the law.

    And lets discuss "descendents". Mine came from England, not a Northern Mexican slum of a dirt poor City were the average IQ is 80 and the average education level is maybe equivalent to a second grader.

    We're talking about giving amnesty to NOT 10 MILLION but close to 30 million criminals.

    Criminals who effectively lower the cumalitive IQ of our nations by merely setting foot in it.

    Criminals that were raised like animals and who leer whistle and stare at my pre-teen duaghters until I tap the glock size hump under my jacket and let them know the world would be a better place without their retardation.

    Criminals who regularly get involved in hit and run accidents, carry no auto ins and no drivers license and walk away from accidents with a handful of tickets they'll never pay, or birth as many litters as possible so as to take advantage of the American social safety net and when doing it lament the Country they cirrently are taking advantage of.
    You're either one sick dude, or a boisterous piece of ****. I'm not sure which. Ether way, you are definitely prejudiced toward Mexicans, at least behind their back.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    People in Mexico look at this stupidity and laugh.

    Enter Mexico illegally and get thrown in jail, then transported to the border and sent across.

    No amnesty. No probationary status. Just OUT!
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Business in the USA depends on a supply of cheap labor, that is the real driver for lax immigration enforcement much more than liberals.

    If immigration laws were actually enforced the price of goods and services in this country will increase drastically, esp food prices. I don't think most people in the USA really will accept that.

    ".....“The enforcement of immigration policy has devastated the skilled-labor source that we’ve depended on for 20 or 30 years,” said Ralph Broetje during a recent teleconference organized by the National Immigration Forum, adding that last year Washington farmers — part of an $8 billion agriculture industry — were forced to leave 10% of their crops rotting on vines and trees. “It’s getting worse each year,” says Broetje, “and it’s going to end up putting some growers out of business if Congress doesn’t step up and do immigration reform.”

    Roughly 70% of the 1.2 million people employed by the agriculture industry are undocumented. No U.S. industry is more dependent on undocumented immigrants. But acute labor shortages brought on by anti-immigration measures threaten to heap record losses on an industry emerging from years of stiff foreign competition. Nationwide, labor shortages will result in losses of up to $9 billion, according to the American Farm Bureau Federation.

    In Arizona, Nan Walden’s complaints mirror those of the Broetjes. Walden is vice president of the family-owned Farmers Investment Co., the largest grower and processor of pecans in the world, with 6,000 acres (2,500 hectares) of farmland in the Santa Cruz Valley, 35 miles (56 km) from the U.S.-Mexico border. Walden says the state system in place for luring seasonal workers is wholly inefficient and adds that Arizona’s infamous SB1070 immigration law has only compounded the problem, creating a climate of fear for Arizona employers and employees. “This has led to people leaving our state, going to other states without these ambiguous clouds and legal sanctions hanging over employers’ and employees’ heads,” says Walden.

    Farming operations nationwide, from New York to Georgia to California, are reeling from similar labor shortages despite offering domestic workers competitive packages that include 401(k) plans and health insurance. Almost in unison, farmers complain that even when they are able to lure domestic workers to what often amounts to high-skilled, grueling work, it’s not long before they abandon the job...."

    Read more: U.S. Farmers Urge Changes to Immigration Law Amid Labor Shortage | TIME.com

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Business in the USA depends on a supply of cheap labor, that is the real driver for lax immigration enforcement much more than liberals.

    If immigration laws were actually enforced the price of goods and services in this country will increase drastically, esp food prices. I don't think most people in the USA really will accept that.

    ".....“The enforcement of immigration policy has devastated the skilled-labor source that we’ve depended on for 20 or 30 years,” said Ralph Broetje during a recent teleconference organized by the National Immigration Forum, adding that last year Washington farmers — part of an $8 billion agriculture industry — were forced to leave 10% of their crops rotting on vines and trees. “It’s getting worse each year,” says Broetje, “and it’s going to end up putting some growers out of business if Congress doesn’t step up and do immigration reform.”

    Roughly 70% of the 1.2 million people employed by the agriculture industry are undocumented. No U.S. industry is more dependent on undocumented immigrants. But acute labor shortages brought on by anti-immigration measures threaten to heap record losses on an industry emerging from years of stiff foreign competition. Nationwide, labor shortages will result in losses of up to $9 billion, according to the American Farm Bureau Federation.

    In Arizona, Nan Walden’s complaints mirror those of the Broetjes. Walden is vice president of the family-owned Farmers Investment Co., the largest grower and processor of pecans in the world, with 6,000 acres (2,500 hectares) of farmland in the Santa Cruz Valley, 35 miles (56 km) from the U.S.-Mexico border. Walden says the state system in place for luring seasonal workers is wholly inefficient and adds that Arizona’s infamous SB1070 immigration law has only compounded the problem, creating a climate of fear for Arizona employers and employees. “This has led to people leaving our state, going to other states without these ambiguous clouds and legal sanctions hanging over employers’ and employees’ heads,” says Walden.

    Farming operations nationwide, from New York to Georgia to California, are reeling from similar labor shortages despite offering domestic workers competitive packages that include 401(k) plans and health insurance. Almost in unison, farmers complain that even when they are able to lure domestic workers to what often amounts to high-skilled, grueling work, it’s not long before they abandon the job...."

    Read more: U.S. Farmers Urge Changes to Immigration Law Amid Labor Shortage | TIME.com
    And if we make all these illegals legal then we have to pay them minimum wage, which means prices go up.

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