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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The "bipartisan" agreement, though mostly Dems and some caving Repubs
    So it comes from both parties... That's what bipartisan means. The sane majority of this country can't help it if the far right cries "traitors" every time someone dares to compromise. That's what governing is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Americans making excuses for law breakers but who have no qualms jailing an American citizen for "non-violent" crimes.

    Hypocrites and liars.
    Actually, you'll probably find that the supporters of amnesty and those who want to end the drug war are mainly the same people. I'm pretty sure the second group is larger, though.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The 14th Amendment has a huge role in the immigration debate. I'm asking you, are people who come from parents who are illegal immigrants, citizens of the United States? Don't think so. Like I said, the 14th Amendment has a huge role in the immigration debate. Keep up with the ad hominem attacks though!
    Again, egregiously meaningless -- you are attempting to divert from the heart of the issue, from the foundation of the matter at hand: giving amnesty and legalization and citizenship to 20 million trespassers, identity forgers and jobs/classrooms/other resource thieves.

    That is what the illegals are, and that is what the D.C. politicians are working on right now.

    You are simply trying to reframe the matter falsely, picking on a tiny side issue, and then drowning the matter in an over-focus on this relatively meaningless aspect to completely divert attention from the heart of the matter.

    Everyone knows, and you are powerless to reframe the matter otherwise and erroneously, that the matter is as I have presented it.

    Why you would want to insult your fellow American citizens this way is beyond me .. unless, of course, you're not an American citizen, then your ludicrous behavior would make more sense.

    Regardless, your post is evidence of why so many poll-takers were so greatly uninformed.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So it comes from both parties... That's what bipartisan means.
    That's right -- the Benedict Arnold behavior is happening on both sides of the aisle.


    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The sane majority of this country can't help it if the far right cries "traitors" every time someone dares to compromise. That's what governing is.
    Meaningless and erroneous irrelevant partisan rhetoric.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Well, according to the 14th Amendment, those who are actually born in the United States are citizens of the United States.
    No its not those born in the US. Its those born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction thereof that have birth right citizenship under section 1 of the 14th amendment.So just being born here is not enough.This is why native Americans were not citizens until the indian citizenship act of 1924. One of the authors of the 14th amendment clearly states that this is not just for anyone born on foreign soil.

    The 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the dangerous misinterpretation of the birthright citizenship clause - DA King - the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship -
    Before its ratification in 1868, Michigan's Senator Jacob Howard, author of the citizenship clause, made the intent crystal clear to the Senate: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include all other classes of persons."

    Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Beside that the topic is about illegal immigration not anchor babies. Anchor babies are not the target of amnesty.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Irrelevant. They are criminals.
    --True they are guilty of a crime. But it is relevant whether they are a threat to society or whether they really want to be here to provide for their families.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Amnesty is not responsible. Amnesty encourages illegally immigration. Amnesty amounts to pouring gasoline on a fire and expecting it to be put out.
    --Not if the borders are secured as a condition of an amnesty bill. It is, unquestionably, a necessary step in solving the problem long-term.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Either you are a liar or an idiot if you honestly believe that there is only 10 million people in this country illegally. There are more than one way to get rid of illegals than mass deportation. We can get them to self deport themselves.
    --I've seen estimates that suggest anywhere from 10-30 million illegal aliens are in this country. Consider, however, that it serves society well when they become taxpaying citizens like everyone else. What if self-deportation fails and no path to citizenship is granted? We still have millions of illegals not contributing to the system they benefit from.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    These people either work under the table, use fraudulent social security cards or steal other people's identities. They also work at low paying jobs for below standard wages, meaning they don't make enough to pay federal income taxes. So with no documentation and even if there was they still don't make enough to pay anything.
    --If they do indeed pay no income tax once granted citizenship, that is a reflection of poor tax policy. Through the other forms of taxation at least they will be contributing something.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Alot of them had since the Reagan Amnesty to learn English.Why would they learn English with all the bi-lingual forms, signs and classes?
    I'm sure the vast majority of those granted amnesty by Reagan speak fluent English. It's absurd to live in a country for decades and not learn the native language.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Good luck getting anything with amnesty through the house, and anything without it through the Senate. This, like all the others, will be dead on arrival.
    Good luck to the Republicans thinking their party has long-term viability without getting this issue behind them. You cannot get the hispanic vote, in particular, until this is done.... and the Cons can not win the presidency by losing 70-75% of the hispanic vote.

    The Cons have to come up with something and have a large % of their caucus voting for it..... Thinking that you can not have some form of amnesty/ express path to citizenship is naive... there really is no practical alternative

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by longknife View Post
    This is exactly the same old male bovine excrement proposed several times in the past.

    No more than giving those who broke the law by coming her illegally a chance to register and vote Democrat.
    Except for Rubio, they are the same Senators who tried to pass a blanket amnesty back in 2007.

    If you remember back in 2007, the American people spoke. In fact so many phone calls and faxes were sent in protest of the amnesty, the phone system in D.C. crashed !
    Half of the Senators, Democrat and Republican who supported the amnesty back then are no longer in office.

    This amnesty may or may not get through the Senate. But it will never get through the House. Unlike the Senate, the House usually represents the will of the American people. Be it the Second Amendment or immigration and the rule of law. You don't reward criminals for breaking the law.

    The GOP has drank the Latino activist kool-aid and actually believe if they support amnesty that Latinos will switch over and start voting Republican. Latinos may be conservative but 2/3 of them will always vote the Democrat ticket because they want free stuff from the government. The American Latino population have become dependent on government just like black Americans.

    Over 50 % of all Latino immigrants including illegal aliens are already on the doe. The vast majority of legal Latino immigrants are part of the 47 % who don't pay any individual income taxes. A recent study released just before the November elections revealed that most Latinos, citizens, immigrant and illegal aliens look at the federal government as being the source of prosperity and being successful.

    If it were the Democrats who opposed amnesty and supported the rule of law and the Republicans who spat upon the rule of law and advocated amnesty. The Latino population would still vote the Democrat ticket because they want their Obama phone.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    McCain, Lindsay Grahamnesty and Rubio are doing their best to insure that the Republican Party never wins another election, just by the sheer numbers of lifetime dependents with huge families that they want to fill the country.

    It's absolutely shameful that they have no concern for the Americans that built this country at all, they simply want to give it Mexicans. No concern for the stolen American jobs, the crime, the violence, ruined cities, schools, neighborhoods, even entire states. It's disgusting to watch them try to appear so noble and caring on television. What a terrible thing for a country to be stuck with politicians who have turned on their own country and gloat as it is destroyed.

    The RINOs have broken the hearts of Americans.
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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    McCain, Lindsay Grahamnesty and Rubio are doing their best to insure that the Republican Party never wins another election, just by the sheer numbers of lifetime dependents with huge families that they want to fill the country.
    With the Hispanic share of voters increasing and expected to continue to increase consistent with demographic change, a policy approach that ignores the needs and concerns of that growing demographic group will lead to defeat. A scorched earth immigration approach is neither feasible nor practical. It is a recipe for long-term political defeat. If Hispanic voting patterns evolve along the lines of those of African Americans whereby a large and permanent majority votes for Democratic candidates, the GOP will not be competitive in national elections except during crises that alter more typical voting patterns.

    No concern for the stolen American jobs...
    The job impact is small. From the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank: FRBSF Economic Letter: The Effect of Immigrants on U.S. Employment and Productivity (2010-26, 8/30/2010)

    Moreover, the jobs are not "stolen." In a market, one has to compete. In general, one wants to command a higher wage, one must be more productive than one's competitors. If one wants to avoid price (or wage) competition, one must offer skills that are difficult or costly for others to imitate. Those skills lie in knowledge-intensive industries. Even as the U.S. economy remains approximately 4 million jobs below its December 2007 level, there has been sizable job growth in the health care and education services sectors. In contrast, large losses persist in construction (where earlier job figures were distorted by the housing bubble meaning many such jobs won't return) and manufacturing (complex competitive issues impact some of this sector ranging from German leadership in advanced manufacturing techniques to cost differences with overseas rivals for more simple manufacturing approaches e.g., assembly). That restructuring of the labor market has virtually nothing to do with undocumented immigrants, even as it impacts millions of people.

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    Re: Bipartisan group of senators to unveil framework for immigration overhaul

    Just another take on amnesty in an attempt to buy votes. McCain even said so.

    (CNN) – A bipartisan group of senators expressed confidence Monday in their proposal for major immigration reform. But after the last big congressional push failed in 2007, many are asking why it would work this time around.

    "Elections. Elections," Republican Sen. John McCain said Monday in a press conference, when CNN's Dana Bash asked what was behind the optimism. "The Republican Party is losing the support of our Hispanic citizens and we realize that there are many issues on which we think we are in agreement with our Hispanic citizens but this is a preeminent issue with those citizens."
    There should be no changes made to avoid punishing illegals until they stop new ones from coming in. And then we should pass everify to make it impossible for illegals to get jobs.

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