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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You seem to think that liberals didn't like the liberal Bush administration. Why is that? Don't liberals just love to have another liberal in the White House?

    Three letters.....G.O.P.....The scope of the supposed "crime" is less the reality of both sides, rather the ends of "getting the other guy" is the whole game. Nevermind that both administrations were "progressive".....
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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Three letters.....G.O.P.....The scope of the supposed "crime" is less the reality of both sides, rather the ends of "getting the other guy" is the whole game. Nevermind that both administrations were "progressive".....
    I see, so by "liberal" you really meant "Democrat."

    Well, you do have a point. The Democrat partisans can be counted on to oppose whatever the Republicans do.

    Wouldn't be awful if the Republicans also were to oppose whatever they Democrats did? Why, they could spend all four years of a Democratic administration that really is little different from the previous Republican administration with the single goal of making it a one term presidency. Why, nothing much would get done with that sort of partisanship, would it?

    Partisanship at that level could hamstring Congress and render it basically dysfunctional. Why, the approval ratings could be in the single digits with a scenario like that.
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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmm....Got any examples of that, or are you just blowing **** out of your ass again?
    Hmmmm... very very mature. Really maybe you should just leave this forum if you can't be halway decent to other members.

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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I see, so by "liberal" you really meant "Democrat."
    In a manner of speaking, yes. Just as liberal/progressives use the titles "extremist", or "neocon" to mean conservative.

    Well, you do have a point. The Democrat partisans can be counted on to oppose whatever the Republicans do.
    The problem is not "partisanship" per se, but rather "progressivism".

    Wouldn't be awful if the Republicans also were to oppose whatever they Democrats did? Why, they could spend all four years of a Democratic administration that really is little different from the previous Republican administration with the single goal of making it a one term presidency. Why, nothing much would get done with that sort of partisanship, would it?

    Partisanship at that level could hamstring Congress and render it basically dysfunctional. Why, the approval ratings could be in the single digits with a scenario like that.

    Oh, too funny, I see what you are attempting here....Look, would you agree that the founders purposely set up this sort of system as a check on singular political tyranny?
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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In a manner of speaking, yes. Just as liberal/progressives use the titles "extremist", or "neocon" to mean conservative.



    The problem is not "partisanship" per se, but rather "progressivism".




    Oh, too funny, I see what you are attempting here....Look, would you agree that the founders purposely set up this sort of system as a check on singular political tyranny?
    The founders set up a balance of powers so that no one person could get enough power to become a dictator. They also set up a federal government of limited power, which worked well until we began to ignore the Tenth Amendment.

    But our first president warned us about the dangers of political parties, and he was right. The balance of powers was never supposed to have been doing the best thing for the country taking second seat to doing what is best for the party.

    How is it that cheerleaders can only see the foolishness of the other party, but never their own?
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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The founders set up a balance of powers so that no one person could get enough power to become a dictator.
    Yeah, and with more and more, Presidents using things like EO's to 'go around' congressional constraint, and hopefully set precedent in court for their unconstitutional agendas, how's that workin' out?

    They also set up a federal government of limited power, which worked well until we began to ignore the Tenth Amendment.
    I would agree, but only add that since Wilson, the executive has constantly probed for a way to not only go around the 10th amendment, but to ignore the founding principles all together.

    But our first president warned us about the dangers of political parties, and he was right. The balance of powers was never supposed to have been doing the best thing for the country taking second seat to doing what is best for the party.
    Very few people in this country today of the intestinal fortitude of a Geo. Washington. Our government is corrupted.

    How is it that cheerleaders can only see the foolishness of the other party, but never their own?
    Oh please. Let's not construct that horse so high that a ladder is needed to sit on top of it....Power is the corrupting influence to much of what is wrong today.

    It is my view that the states should hold much more power than the Federal Government, and likewise the local municipalities more than the states....etc. We live in a backward view of what this country was founded on today.
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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    Hmmmm... very very mature. Really maybe you should just leave this forum if you can't be halway decent to other members.
    I'm sorry....Who are you, again?
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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'm sorry....Who are you, again?
    Way to sound like an arrogant prick again. Does it matter who I am? Why don't you try scrolling up and re-reading "CIVILITY A MUST" under the Debate Politics logo.

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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, and with more and more, Presidents using things like EO's to 'go around' congressional constraint, and hopefully set precedent in court for their unconstitutional agendas, how's that workin' out?
    It's working out as planned, more and more power for the executive branch. For the people of this country, it's not working out so well. Those EOs have increased dramatically for the past couple of administrations, haven't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I would agree, but only add that since Wilson, the executive has constantly probed for a way to not only go around the 10th amendment, but to ignore the founding principles all together.
    Agreed, and the voters continue to allow it to happen.



    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Very few people in this country today of the intestinal fortitude of a Geo. Washington. Our government is corrupted.
    yes, power corrupts.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please. Let's not construct that horse so high that a ladder is needed to sit on top of it....Power is the corrupting influence to much of what is wrong today.
    yes, it is. Both parties are corrupted by power. The goal of both parties is to get as much of it as possible. The cheerleaders of both parties can only see the corruption of the other party. Neither one has the moral high ground in any way.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is my view that the states should hold much more power than the Federal Government, and likewise the local municipalities more than the states....etc. We live in a backward view of what this country was founded on today.
    Yes, we do.

    and most of the power should lie with the individual, not the government.
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    Re: Former CIA officer John Kiriakou is sentenced to 30 months in prison for leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    Way to sound like an arrogant prick again.
    Sound is something you'd have to be talking face to face to determine, so I think you are reading too much into what is typed...

    Does it matter who I am? Why don't you try scrolling up and re-reading "CIVILITY A MUST" under the Debate Politics logo.
    You start out by calling me an "arrogant prick" then try and quote the "civility a must" sub banner to DP? Irony is not lost on you friend...But you're right, it doesn't matter who you are.....
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