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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    A duly elected President has to have his decisions confirmed by the Senate.... by design.
    No. Not really.

    The Senate has a limited 'advise and consent' power over appointments, but the bulk of the executive branch, secretaries, advisers, lawyers, policy writers, are hired like any other public sector job.

    But when positions haven't been filled, traditionally the President uses recess appointments to fill mid-level and noncontroversial positions.

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Well, it will be interesting to see if the higher courts recognize the pro forma stunt as legitimate. When Reid tried it on Bush, Bush didn't make any appointments.

    This is the first test.

    When the President is prevented from filling deputy and supporting positions in the executive branch because of overzealous opposition party obstructionism, then the voters are being cheated.

    What we need is to do is set reasonable time limits for congress to act on appointments. A duly elected President should not have to play these games with congress on every single appointment.
    Pretty sure John Kerry was easily confirmed in little to no time.

    Controversial appointees, necessarily bog down the system, to the benefit of voters.

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Pretty sure John Kerry was easily confirmed in little to no time.

    Controversial appointees, necessarily bog down the system, to the benefit of voters.
    bogs benefit no one IMO

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    bogs benefit no one IMO
    Yea, let's banish the Congress, and the Judiciary, so the Executive can pass any law it wants instantly and without rebuke.

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    No. Not really.

    The Senate has a limited 'advise and consent' power over appointments, but the bulk of the executive branch, secretaries, advisers, lawyers, policy writers, are hired like any other public sector job.

    But when positions haven't been filled, traditionally the President uses recess appointments to fill mid-level and noncontroversial positions.
    "Advise and consent" means.... well, it means "advise and consent."

    ad·vise
    /ədˈvīz/
    Verb
    Offer suggestions about the best course of action to someone: "he advised caution".
    Recommend (something): "sleeping pills are not advised".

    con·sent

    /kənˈsent/
    Noun
    Permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.
    Verb
    Give permission for something to happen: "he consented to a search by a detective".
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
    ~Orwell, Politics and the English Language

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Pretty sure John Kerry was easily confirmed in little to no time.

    Controversial appointees, necessarily bog down the system, to the benefit of voters.
    It seems that conservatives view any Obama appointee as controversial

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It seems that conservatives view any Obama appointee as controversial
    With good reason. Obama's appointees have turned out to be a pretty sorry lot.
    "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
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