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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Well, are we talking competence or are we talking success?

    Further, what was the parameters to which we are suppose to determine competence or success?

    What was the stated goal? To appoint? Well than yes.
    Was the stated goal to appoint following the rules and guidelines of the Constitution? Not sure, but apparently No.

    Of course, I could be taking your meaning completely wrong and you're not asking my opinion on either of these two scenerios but on something completely different.

    Seeing as you've asked me these questions regarding posts of mine which were in the context of light-hearted banter, I'm not sure what you're looking for?
    My goodness, it shouldn't be this hard, especially since you are the one that brought up competence....I don't get it. It is a simple question.
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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    It's going to be interesting to see how this story plays out, as the Constitution does specifically allow for recess appointments. These traditionally are 'deputy' positions that need to be temporarily filled in order for government to function.

    Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which states:
    The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
    The National Labor Relations Board requires a quorum to take action. Making appointment to allow them to function is reasonable. This seems to be more about a Pepsi-cola bottler not liking a NLRB decision and (mis)using the court system to get the decision overturned.

    It's my understanding that the Democrats tried this type of "pro forma" stunt to dissuade Bush from making recess appointments during the 2-week Thanksgiving Break, Nov. 2007.

    None of the Obama recess appointments so far seem to be overly controversial, whereas Bush slipped John Bolton and Sam Fox in.

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    It's going to be interesting to see how this story plays out, as the Constitution does specifically allow for recess appointments.
    But only during recess. The court ruled that only the Senate, and not the president, can decide when it is in recess.
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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    But only during recess. The court ruled that only the Senate, and not the president, can decide when it is in recess.
    Agreed.....course this doesn't change the fact that this is a loss for Obama. Like his Gun Control issue. Must have him really Irked Him that after he got his victory lap. That he has been smacked down not only by the American People over guns. But Then told he was doing something that was Unconstitutional. But then again he did Swear an Oath to Uphold the Constitution.

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    President Obama needs the support of the Senate for any of his appointments, by design.

    Perhaps he should have considered some people that were more middle-of-the-road, and not in-the-tank extreme liberals. Then he could have had support from the Senate, or at least made a legitimate ruckus about obstructionists. As it stands, he is putting up people diametrically opposed to all facets of conservatism, and lookey there - the conservatives have a problem with it.

    Maybe it's time he starts thinking about the country and not just his team.
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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Maybe it's time he starts thinking about the country and not just his team.
    Agreed, but I won't hold my breath waiting...
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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    But only during recess. The court ruled that only the Senate, and not the president, can decide when it is in recess.
    Well, it will be interesting to see if the higher courts recognize the pro forma stunt as legitimate. When Reid tried it on Bush, Bush didn't make any appointments.

    This is the first test.

    When the President is prevented from filling deputy and supporting positions in the executive branch because of overzealous opposition party obstructionism, then the voters are being cheated.

    What we need is to do is set reasonable time limits for congress to act on appointments. A duly elected President should not have to play these games with congress on every single appointment.

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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Well, it will be interesting to see if the higher courts recognize the pro forma stunt as legitimate. When Reid tried it on Bush, Bush didn't make any appointments.

    This is the first test.

    When the President is prevented from filling deputy and supporting positions in the executive branch because of overzealous opposition party obstructionism, then the voters are being cheated.

    What we need is to do is set reasonable time limits for congress to act on appointments. A duly elected President should not have to play these games with congress on every single appointment.
    A duly elected President has to have his decisions confirmed by the Senate.... by design.
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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Well, it will be interesting to see if the higher courts recognize the pro forma stunt as legitimate. When Reid tried it on Bush, Bush didn't make any appointments.

    This is the first test.

    When the President is prevented from filling deputy and supporting positions in the executive branch because of overzealous opposition party obstructionism, then the voters are being cheated.

    What we need is to do is set reasonable time limits for congress to act on appointments. A duly elected President should not have to play these games with congress on every single appointment.

    Another indication that the judiciary has overstepped its constitutional power in a separate but equal construct.
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    Re: Court: Obama Appointments are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.....

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Another indication that the judiciary has overstepped its constitutional power in a separate but equal construct.
    In this case, I agree.

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