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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The EPA standards Obama put into place. Come on, every actual factual link posted here says it did not happen.
    Here, try clicking this link and get back to me:

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Considering I lived in Memphis for 20 years, I never saw any of that or heard anyone mention it, why don't you evidence your claim.
    You must have never traveled down south third street and entered voodoo village, or Brooks Rd, Summer, any of this ringing a bell?

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What I do understand about what I posted is that they are shutting down loads of coal power plants and opening natural gas plants in their stead. That's kind of the whole point so... don't know what actual on-topic gripe you got with my post.
    Actually they are just re-opening co-gen plants that werre built and then quickly closed when NG was 12.00+ per mmbtu.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The coal generation we use today is nowhere close to the bad awfuls we had a few decades ago. The EPA was responsible for some of that. But they've forgotten the balance and the simple fact that if you don't have the replacement up and running BEFORE you close off the old, you're just asking for the pain.
    Then again, if you're making NEW power plants, why use an energy source you know is NOT going to be cost effective in the coming years? With the new regs, coal is not the way to go. A far better move is to build new plants as NG plants. Then a new plant like the one in the OP isn't gong to have all these problems.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Then again, if you're making NEW power plants, why use an energy source you know is NOT going to be cost effective in the coming years? With the new regs, coal is not the way to go. A far better move is to build new plants as NG plants. Then a new plant like the one in the OP isn't gong to have all these problems.
    The Obama administration and environmentalists aren't real keen on natural gas either because it's still a fossil fuel.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Here, try clicking this link and get back to me:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#h...w=1024&bih=638
    Coal is really bad stuff. Sure the power from it is relatively inexpensive, but curing the cancers it causes is very expensive.

    Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste: Scientific American


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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The Obama administration and environmentalists aren't real keen on natural gas either because it's still a fossil fuel.
    That may be so, but given a choice between NG and Coal, they'll take NG every time. Wind and Solar are great, but until intermittency is overcome we'll still non-intermittent sources. Nuclear and NG are the best choices of those sources.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    That may be so, but given a choice between NG and Coal, they'll take NG every time. Wind and Solar are great, but until intermittency is overcome we'll still non-intermittent sources. Nuclear and NG are the best choices of those sources.
    I agree with you 100% that those are the best choices environmentally, but financially coal is still top dog.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I agree with you 100% that those are the best choices environmentally, but financially coal is still top dog.
    With the new filter requirements, Coal won't be any longer. These are very expensive systems, and even with them there's still a lot of pollution. In some areas, Wind is equaling or even bettering the cost per kWh of Coal and the price for wind continues to drop. Still, the intermittency issues remain for wind. There's several ways to overcome this. One is to have Wind plants in many geographical areas, each in support of the others. The wind rises and falls but not the same in all areas. The aggregate output of the plants produces a steady flow of power. But a reliable backbone should still exist and that's where NG can step in. With several different systems working in tandem, strengths of one overcoming the shortcomings of the other, new electricity can be built at a total cost comparable to a network of coal plants yet without the pollution and waste products.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Now I understand why Obama didn't mention jobs in his speech the other day.




    Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas | WashingtonExaminer.com
    or it could be the real reason which is that there is an abundance of natural gas which burns cleaner and far better than coal could ever do? But why should they lose their business for nothing when they can make up absolute BS and attack obama on their way down? Really, should we all be luddites just so some coal guys can have jobs, or perhaps can we use better, cheaper, and more efficient fuels and screw the dip****s who who are stuck in the 1800s? Sorry coal guys but you can go join the horse and carriage, and it does not matter how much you twist the truth people actually understand it isn't just because coal is dirty, it actually sucks ass compared to modern fossil fuels.

    Oh, and in case you missed it, it is not obama's fault we have developed beyond the 1800's despite how the coal companies want to blame obama rather than their old and feeble fuel. grim really, do you think that coal burns good for fuel? Perhaps there is a reason we don't use coal engines or heaters anymore aside from the huge ton of soot it leaves. Why don't you help them out and study science and go make a coal burning power plant and see how it stacks up to other fossil fuels. these guys want a handout and for you to push them just a bit further down the road despite their old and broken crap. If you want to go back and live ion the 1800s i suggest you go find an amish community or something like that. Some of us actually like modern convenience like natural gas and oil over coal, and it is not because of the EPA. i know many people have a certain god like opinion on obama's abilities, but I can assure you he does not have the power to make coal suck as an energy source. It is just way beyond the guy despite how Fix noise and these coal company dolts want to portray him.

    Maybe i am looking at this wrong. let us give reps what they want. We will make a law that the republicans in this country will have to use coal based products over natural gas, oil, and any other competing fuel. With all that business i am sure the coal companies will be doing much better than they are now. Then we all win. the coal company, anyone who is not a republican can enjoy modern technology, and republicans can do something they never have before and put their money where their mouth is. It would almost be like you guys actually live what you preached if we did that. What do you say, do you want to live on coal, or can you admit it sucks and you like more modern fuels?

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