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Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

Evidence that B.o is fundamentally opposed to fossil fuels and has made statements that any coal fired plants would be put out of bussiness by his massive Govt penalties has some how eluded the "objective" WIKI sources.

Just more bling allegiance by the liberal left as he drives this Countries economy into the ditch with his stupidity.
 
Grim17 said:
Oh, and another thing Redress.



In the future, please don't lecture people on what is, and what is not, a "factual" source, since it's now clear that the ones you subscribe to are anything but.
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So where are those regulations Grim? I know the answer, why don't you? Are you going to keep trying to evade forever, denying facts and pushing opinions as facts?
 
DaveFagan said:
3,900 jobs lost that never existed. Lumps in the local air that will be missed
forever. Gads, the irony. I feel so sorry for the po' millionaires progeny that will forever have been denied the lump legacy.
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Your "lumps" are as ficticious as the Obama recovery. But your demagogy was completely expected

3900 jobs who were going to be supplied by a gaggle of individuals who are completely dependent on Govt assistance.

Wait, thats not right.......welfare recipients don't create jobs, they hinder them.

irony is the sector Obama works so hard to vilify is the sole creator of any new employment or positive economic movement in his 4 years of economic destruction.

You come off as a lib so I'll go ahead and spell out the sectors identification.

Energy Sector.

Imagine if Obama hadn't thrown billions into a massive fire pit called Green Energy Companies where we would be......

Oh wait, we would be right here....

Watching as Fracking catapuls us into National energy independence as the stupidity of solar and wind rot away under the massive pressure of their own impracticallity.

But Libs, poor things who usually don't possess the base IQ to understand the actual technical aspects of converting photovoltaic DC to usable polyphase AC are only parroting their parties talking points.
 
Redress said:
Funny how no one can actually point to the regulations added, and keep having to post editorials, while complaining about biased sources...
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New heat requirements on Boiler plants combined with the 2nd item for what they call MACT regulations on boilers.
New Clean Air Act requirements on particulates or MATS.
Tightening Ozone requirements--specifically non attainment meaning that once a community hits particulate caps, they cant open any other businesses with pollution.

And FFS Redress that last story was Rueters another was USNews and the otehr Forbes. Yet Politifact and CBS are supposed to be reliable? Cmon. Address the topic and stop playing kill the messenger.
 
Redress said:
So where are those regulations Grim? I know the answer, why don't you? Are you going to keep trying to evade forever, denying facts and pushing opinions as facts?
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I thought you were going to stop giving me a hard time and quit being an ass, but it seems you just can't resist... Now I told you I would be glad to find them if you posted a link to anyone from the EPA or the Obama administration that says that the ones listed in that report are bogus, but you have yet to do that.

So why should I post a link to confirm that those regulations exist, when nobody from the Administration or even the EPA is disputing that they do? Maybe those "factual" sources of yours can help you... lol
 
OpportunityCost said:
New heat requirements on Boiler plants combined with the 2nd item for what they call MACT regulations on boilers.
New Clean Air Act requirements on particulates or MATS.
Tightening Ozone requirements--specifically non attainment meaning that once a community hits particulate caps, they cant open any other businesses with pollution.

And FFS Redress that last story was Rueters another was USNews and the otehr Forbes. Yet Politifact and CBS are supposed to be reliable? Cmon. Address the topic and stop playing kill the messenger.
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Did you notice your sources where talking about potential regulations, not current regulations? Can you tell me which ones the plant in Texas ran afoul of? Do you know that the Forbes and US news sources you presented are editorials? And last but not least, why can no one link to any actual regulations added by the EPA since Obama took office?
 
Grim17 said:
I thought you were going to stop giving me a hard time and quit being an ass, but it seems you just can't resist... Now I told you I would be glad to find them if you posted a link to anyone from the EPA or the Obama administration that says that the ones listed in that report are bogus, but you have yet to do that.

So why should I post a link to confirm that those regulations exist, when nobody from the Administration or even the EPA is disputing that they do? Maybe those "factual" sources of yours can help you... lol
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How can I prove a regulation you have not found doesn't exist? Link to a regulation. You claimed that regulations imposed by Obama and the EPA killed this plant, so why can't you link to those regulations?
 
Redress said:
How can I prove a regulation you have not found doesn't exist? Link to a regulation. You claimed that regulations imposed by Obama and the EPA killed this plant, so why can't you link to those regulations?
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Maybe cause they don't exist?
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Maybe cause they don't exist?
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There is at least one. Oops, I gave it away, maybe they will actually look for it now....

Of course it had nothing to do with the problems the proposed plant in Texas is having...
 
Redress said:
There is at least one. Oops, I gave it away, maybe they will actually look for it now....

Of course it had nothing to do with the problems the proposed plant in Texas is having...
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Why not address the fact that these regulations are going to cost 1000's of American jobs and raise the cost of electricity for most Americans?

Is it that it's ideologically impossible for you to do so Redress, or is it that ****ing with me is far more important to you than addressing the facts is?
 
Grim17 said:
Redress is just trying to change the focus and turn this thread into ****, so addressing the actual consequences of these regulations can be avoided.
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You do not even know what the regulations are. I want to talk about the regulations that Obama and the EPA instituted, that caused this plant to shuit down. In order to do that, we need to know what they are. Since you claimed that Obama and the EPA caused this plant to die, you should be able to point out exactly what they did. Why can't you?
 
Redress said:
Did you notice your sources where talking about potential regulations, not current regulations? Can you tell me which ones the plant in Texas ran afoul of? Do you know that the Forbes and US news sources you presented are editorials? And last but not least, why can no one link to any actual regulations added by the EPA since Obama took office?
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Stuck record. Still. Stricter requirements on the Clean Air act. The MATS particulate rule is not "proposed". And energy companies are already trying to comply with MACTs.

From the story in the CC caller it appears its the boiler particulate issue thats causing it. Ive given you three possible regulations and they seem to coincide with the story Grim posted. How about you quit posting quips and post like you want to do something besides attack sources, namely post about the story.

Start by not answering questions with questions, if you know the answers to what you are asking, try posting the information instead of playing some twisted partisan mindgame to prove you are smarter than those you are being antagonostic towards. Post your information or head on out of the thread and take your rotten attitude with you.
 
Redress said:
You do not even know what the regulations are. I want to talk about the regulations that Obama and the EPA instituted, that caused this plant to shuit down. In order to do that, we need to know what they are. Since you claimed that Obama and the EPA caused this plant to die, you should be able to point out exactly what they did. Why can't you?
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Who said I can't? Everyone knows they exist and I'm not going to play your game of trying to distract from the issue.
 
Grim17 said:
You can spin this all you want but the bottom line is, Obama's new non-congressionally approved EPA standards are going to cost America 10's of 1000's more jobs and raise electricity rates on nearly everyone in the country.
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Well, that is one of his campaign promises. He did tell us that energy costs would "necessarily skyrocket."
 
Grim17 said:
Who said I can't? Everyone knows they exist and I'm not going to play your game of trying to distract from the issue.
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What trying to distract from the issue. You claimed that the plant failed because of Obama and EPA regulations. You should then be able to tell us what ones. The fact that you can't reveals your lack of knowledge on the issue.
 
Redress said:
What trying to distract from the issue. You claimed that the plant failed because of Obama and EPA regulations. You should then be able to tell us what ones. The fact that you can't reveals your lack of knowledge on the issue.
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Are you saying rhetoric will NOT do? :mrgreen:
 
Redress said:
What trying to distract from the issue. You claimed that the plant failed because of Obama and EPA regulations. You should then be able to tell us what ones. The fact that you can't reveals your lack of knowledge on the issue.
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A liberal playing games to avoid the issue... How strange and unusual.

<sarcasm off>
 
Redress said:
What trying to distract from the issue. You claimed that the plant failed because of Obama and EPA regulations. You should then be able to tell us what ones. The fact that you can't reveals your lack of knowledge on the issue.
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From the OP quote of the article:

Chase CEO Dave Freysinger told the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

Freysinger made it very clear who was responsible for the projects death. “The (Las Brisas Energy Center) is a victim of EPA’s concerted effort to stifle solid-fuel energy facilities in the U.S., including EPA’s carbon-permitting requirements and EPA’s New Source Performance Standards for new power plants,” he said
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I dunno if that's true or bad, but it's a start.
 
ecofarm said:
I dunno if that's true or bad, but it's a start.
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Redress knows damned well that those regulations exist. This is just one of those subjects that doesn't work well ideologically, so playing games to avoid the reality of how those regulations will negatively effect the economy, became a more attractive strategy for Redress.
 
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