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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Were 3900 jobs really halted or did somebody choose the wrong fuel source to build a power plant for the 3900 jobs? Had Natural Gas been chosen, would this still be happening? If someone fails to monitor industry trends and technology, is that really the government's fault?
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The reason Texas has not given their OK to the plant(note that it is Texas where they are having problems, not just the EPA) is their poor planning to handle pollutants. See, that is why we have the EPA, and why we have regulations regarding emissions. Some of us are old enough to remember when LA and other cities would get so bad from smog that some people could not even leave the house on certain days.

    The problem in this case is of course not that the hurdles are so high, but that the company was unable to get the work done to get past the hurdles. That is not Obama's fault, that is not the EPA's fault. Just because some one blames them does not make it true.
    Yep, this. Because we don't want to be like Beijing, where the quality of the air is 40 times worse than what the World Health Organization recommends, and puts everyone's health in danger.

    It's really sad that people get mad at not allowing a company to pollute where we live out of political expedience.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Who pays for the increased health costs from Asthma, cancer, emphysema etc from plants that emit air pollution? Mostly tax payers, but also those paying health insurance premiums. Limiting air pollution is cost effective to society in the long run and improves the quality of life.

    A little history:
    The Great Smog of '52 or Big Smoke[1] was a severe air pollution event that affected London during December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants mostly from the use of coal to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday 5 to Tuesday 9 December 1952, and then dispersed quickly after a change of weather.

    Although it caused major disruption due to the effect on visibility, and even penetrated indoor areas, it was not thought to be a significant event at the time, with London having experienced many smog events in the past, so called "pea soupers". However, government medical reports in the following weeks estimated that up until 20th December 4,000 people had died prematurely and 100,000 more were made ill because of the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater at about 12,000.[2]

    It is known to be the worst air pollution event in the history of the United Kingdom,[3] and the most significant in terms of its effect on environmental research, government regulation, and public awareness of the relationship between air quality and health.[2] It led to several changes in practices and regulations, including the Clean Air Act 1956.

    The weather preceding and during the smog meant that Londoners were burning more coal than usual to keep warm. Post-war domestic coal tended to be of a relatively low-grade, sulphurous variety (economic necessity meant that better-quality "hard" coals tended to be exported), which increased the amount of sulphur dioxide in the smoke. There were also numerous coal-fired power stations in the Greater London area, including Battersea, Bankside, and Kingston upon Thames, all of which added to the pollution.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Damn nonpartisan sources...


    Come to think of it, you offered no sources at all. Makes it easy to complain about other people's sources doesn't it. Come on, source those draconian regulations that Obama implemented that caused this plant to not be able to get past even Texas's regulations.
    Still wont answer my questions huh ?

    It's expected. When your whipped your whipped right ? And if you keep chosing to banter around my direct queries I would gather that not only have you been whipped in front of your lefty buddies but youv'e also taken to trollish tacticts and have nothing left to offer in terms of honest debate.

    Go away...

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Except for the crawfish you just described Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, and Detroit.
    Considering I lived in Memphis for 20 years, I never saw any of that or heard anyone mention it, why don't you evidence your claim.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Who pays for the increased health costs from Asthma, cancer, emphysema et
    c from plants that emit air pollution? Mostly tax payers, but also those paying health insurance premiums. Limiting air pollution is cost effective to society in the long run and improves the quality of life.

    A little history:
    The Great Smog of '52 or Big Smoke[1] was a severe air pollution event that affected London during December 1952. A period of cold weather, combined with an anticyclone and windless conditions, collected airborne pollutants mostly from the use of coal to form a thick layer of smog over the city. It lasted from Friday 5 to Tuesday 9 December 1952, and then dispersed quickly after a change of weather.

    Although it caused major disruption due to the effect on visibility, and even penetrated indoor areas, it was not thought to be a significant event at the time, with London having experienced many smog events in the past, so called "pea soupers". However, government medical reports in the following weeks estimated that up until 20th December 4,000 people had died prematurely and 100,000 more were made ill because of the smog's effects on the human respiratory tract. More recent research suggests that the total number of fatalities was considerably greater at about 12,000.[2]

    It is known to be the worst air pollution event in the history of the United Kingdom,[3] and the most significant in terms of its effect on environmental research, government regulation, and public awareness of the relationship between air quality and health.[2] It led to several changes in practices and regulations, including the Clean Air Act 1956.

    The weather preceding and during the smog meant that Londoners were burning more coal than usual to keep warm. Post-war domestic coal tended to be of a relatively low-grade, sulphurous variety (economic necessity meant that better-quality "hard" coals tended to be exported), which increased the amount of sulphur dioxide in the smoke. There were also numerous coal-fired power stations in the Greater London area, including Battersea, Bankside, and Kingston upon Thames, all of which added to the pollution.
    Wikipedia
    BS....

    there should be rules to using WIKI as source.

    My kids cant use WIKI as a source.

    My oldest would get thrown out of any of his College Courses using WIKI as a source.

    Maybe people dont understand what WIKI actually is.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You can spin this all you want but the bottom line is
    What is the bottom line Grim?

    You lied...

    Again...

    And you got caught...

    Again...

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Obama simply hates America because there's so many white people.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    BS....

    there should be rules to using WIKI as source.

    My kids cant use WIKI as a source.

    My oldest would get thrown out of any of his College Courses using WIKI as a source.

    Maybe people dont understand what WIKI actually is.
    Nonsense. If you knew how to use the wiki you'd see the piece is fully sourced.

    1.^ Stegeman, John J. & Solow, Andrew R. A Look Back at the London Smog of 1952 and the Half Century Since; A Half Century Later: Recollections of the London Fog (Environmental Health Perspectives, Dec 2002).
    2.^ a b c Bell, Michelle L.; Michelle L. Bell, Devra L. Davis, Tony Fletcher (January 2004). "A Retrospective Assessment of Mortality from the London Smog Episode of 1952: The Role of Influenza and Pollution". Environ Health Perspect 112 (1): 6–8. doi:10.1289/ehp.6539. PMC 1241789. PMID 14698923. A retrospective assessment of mortality from the London smog episode of 1952: the role of influenza and pollution..
    3.^ McKie, Robin & Townsend, Mark. Great Smog is history, but foul air still kills (The Observer, 24 Nov 2002).
    4.^ a b Mason, Nigel; Hughes, Peter; Mc Mllan, Randall. Introduction to environmental physics (CRC, 2001), pp112-113.
    5.^ "Atmosphere, Climate & Environment Information Programme". Ace.mmu.ac.uk. 4 December 1952. Atmosphere, Climate & Environment Information Programme. Retrieved 30 June 2010.
    6.^ "Met Office Education: Teens – Case Studies – The Great Smog". Metoffice.gov.uk. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/educatio..._smog.html#p02. Retrieved 30 June 2010.
    7.^ Greater London Authority. 50 Years On: The struggle for air quality in London since the great smog of December 1952, p3.
    8.^ a b NPR. Killer Fog of '52 (National Public Radio).
    9.^ The Great Smog of 1952, metoffice.gov.uk, http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/educatio...reat_smog.html, retrieved 17 August 2008
    10.^ "Coal: Nutty slack", Commons Sitting of 16 February 1953, hansard.millbanksystems.com, Nutty Slack (Hansard, 16 February 1953), retrieved 5 December 2011
    11.^ Camps, Francis E (Ed.) (1976). Gradwohl's Legal Medicine (Bristol: John Wright & Sons Ltd, 3rd ed.) ISBN 0-7236-0310-3. p. 236.
    Now, if you have a beef with the content, goto the source and let us know YOUR sources for the contrarian info.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    BS....

    there should be rules to using WIKI as source.

    My kids cant use WIKI as a source.

    My oldest would get thrown out of any of his College Courses using WIKI as a source.

    Maybe people dont understand what WIKI actually is.
    If you have evidence that the event described in my post with the Wiki quote never happened I would be happy to look at your evidence.

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