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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

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    So you do not think the free market will work and another company will fill the demand? Is it Obama and the EPAs fault this company failed?
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

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    Anything to defend The One and his Gestapo, eh?
    Anything to not actually answer the questions, eh?
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

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    Anything to not actually answer the questions, eh?
    The answer to your question is an obvious, uh no.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Can a conservative please explain exactly how this is Obama's fault? Which regulations did "he" enact that prevented this plant from being able to move forward? I asked Fenton to answer this - a question that he himself posed - and he apparently refused.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Can a conservative please explain exactly how this is Obama's fault? Which regulations did "he" enact that prevented this plant from being able to move forward? I asked Fenton to answer this - a question that he himself posed - and he apparently refused.
    knock yourself out, it is quite a bit of reading, pdf at the link:

    Institute for Energy Research | Powerplants to be closed as a result of EPA’s regulations

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    So, Texas creates a lot of jobs and has a relatively low unemployment percentage and it's Texas that get's credit. But when they lose a bunch of jobs and it's all Obama's fault. (I mean, since Obama created the EPA and all. <rolls eyes.>) Gotta love Texas.

    It's also Obama's fault some people have warts on their ass in Texas. (But that's another thread altogether.)

    I do think, however, the EPA should ignore Texas. Having been born and raised there let me testify that, generally speaking, Texans have no problems with piling up old junk cars and old Curtis Mathis television sets in their front yard and no problem having a garbage pile in the back. They would just as soon burn their leaves in the middle of the street in downtown Houston. They find that catching crawfish is open sewer drainage ditches to be very recreational. The pretty colors from the oil slicks are considered to be art.

    I say let them pollute their state as much as they want to. Has anyone ever driven through Stinkadena?
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So, Texas creates a lot of jobs and has a relatively low unemployment percentage and it's Texas that get's credit. But they lose a bunch of jobs and it's all Obama's fault. II mean, since Obama created the EPA and all. <rolls eyes.> Gotta love Texas.

    It's also Obama's fault people have warts on their ass in Texas. But that's another thread altogether.)

    I do think, however, the EPA should ignore Texas. Having been born and raised there let me testify that, generally speaking, Texans have no problems with piling up junk cars and old Curtis Mathis television sets in their front yard and no problem having a garbage pile in the back. They would just as soon burn their leaves in the middle of the street in downtown Houston. They find that catching crawfish is open sewer drainage ditches to be very recreational. The pretty colors from the oil slicks are considered to be art.

    I say let them pollute their state as much as they want to. Has anyone ever driven through Stinkadena?
    Except for the crawfish you just described Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, and Detroit.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    knock yourself out, it is quite a bit of reading, pdf at the link:

    Institute for Energy Research | Powerplants to be closed as a result of EPA’s regulations
    Okay, so MATS has origins in the 1990 Clean Air Act and is just an elucidation of that law. It is the product of an order by the DC Circuit (under Bush) to develop standards after deeming the rules set under Bush as insufficient.

    CSAPR came out of a December, 2008 Court verdict and replaced CAIR.

    So how are these "Obama's fault" even if the source you linked to is 100% correct in stating the downside effects of these policies?
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Okay, so MACT has origins in the 1990 Clean Air Act and is just an elucidation of that law. It is the product of an order by the DC Circuit to develop standards after deeming the rules set under Bush as insufficient.

    CSAPR came out of a December, 2008 Court verdict and replaced CAIR.

    So how are these "Obama's fault" even if the source you linked to is 100% correct in stating the downside effects of these policies?
    I see you aren't done reading yet, please continue to read about the push from Lisa Jackson, the agency she ran, pay close attention to the quote from Obama right on that very page at the link.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The reason Texas has not given their OK to the plant(note that it is Texas where they are having problems, not just the EPA) is their poor planning to handle pollutants. See, that is why we have the EPA, and why we have regulations regarding emissions. Some of us are old enough to remember when LA and other cities would get so bad from smog that some people could not even leave the house on certain days.

    The problem in this case is of course not that the hurdles are so high, but that the company was unable to get the work done to get past the hurdles. That is not Obama's fault, that is not the EPA's fault. Just because some one blames them does not make it true.
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