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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He is just trying to blame me for his inability to support his claim.
    I guess the answer to that question posed by OpportunityCost is, "No, Redress can't set the hatred of me aside and address the topic."

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I guess the answer to that question posed by OpportunityCost is, "No, Redress can't set the hatred of me aside and address the topic."
    I don't see how discussing the events in the OP is anything but addressing the topic.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

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    Your logic makes no sense at all, I want to stop burning coal.
    And replace it with what? Right now we don't have anything that can replace coal, and keep our current levels of domestic energy production v. consumption...
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't see how discussing the events in the OP is anything but addressing the topic.
    From what I see Red, you are not "discussing" anything....What you are doing is employing a well worn progressive tactic, which is to single out a particular point, demand that the opponent do endless searches for evidence that you can just sit back and slap down as the opponent presents it. It is a highly dishonest tactic.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And replace it with what? Right now we don't have anything that can replace coal, and keep our current levels of domestic energy production v. consumption...
    As long as coal is the lowest cost, you'll never have anything to replace it. Where is the incentive for development of alternatives when the low cost of coal is a factor?*


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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    As long as coal is the lowest cost, you'll never have anything to replace it. Where is the incentive for development of alternatives when the low cost of coal is a factor?*
    The US government has been pumping money by the truck load into alternative energy research for decades in order to find a reliable and cost effective alternative for fossil fuels, and the results have been dismal. With the possible exception of nuclear power, every non-fossil fuel source of energy we know of is either unreliable, too expensive, or both.

    I have no problem with the government investing money into research in this area, but I have a big problem with the government a) subsidizing alternative energy products that we know just aren't going to cut it, like Obama did with stimulus money, and b) mandating high cost alternative energy on the American people, by forcing power companies to either go out of business, or make expensive changes to their plants that they end up passing to consumers by way of higher rates. The same applies to car manufacturers also.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The US government has been pumping money by the truck load into alternative energy research for decades in order to find a reliable and cost effective alternative for fossil fuels, and the results have been dismal. With the possible exception of nuclear power, every non-fossil fuel source of energy we know of is either unreliable, too expensive, or both.

    I have no problem with the government investing money into research in this area, but I have a big problem with the government a) subsidizing alternative energy products that we know just aren't going to cut it, like Obama did with stimulus money, and b) mandating high cost alternative energy on the American people, by forcing power companies to either go out of business, or make expensive changes to their plants that they end up passing to consumers by way of higher rates. The same applies to car manufacturers also.
    That is because the government has been pumping money into finding alternative energy sources that benefit big energy suppliers and not end users. Uncle Sam has a vested interest in not helping people live off the grid which would be the better route to take from an innovation standpoint.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From what I see Red, you are not "discussing" anything....What you are doing is employing a well worn progressive tactic, which is to single out a particular point, demand that the opponent do endless searches for evidence that you can just sit back and slap down as the opponent presents it. It is a highly dishonest tactic.
    Huh? If regulations from the Obama administration did not cause the company to fail, and they did not, thenthen Grim's claim fails. Blaming me for his failure is hilarious.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Just to add to the fray - I've done a bit of research on Las Brisas Energy and Chase Power Development, LLC and found one item that I think calls into question a whole bunch of what is going on in this matter.

    As of Dec 18, 2012, the Texas Sec of State does not show a David Freysinger as a company officer, much less as CEO

    Chase Power Development, LLC has a location in Houston, TX. Active officers include William K. Robertson, Kathleen E. Smith, John D. Upchurch, Cimmarron Ventures LLC, Q Fund II Warehouse, LLC, John Curtis and Dolores Guajardo. Chase Power Development, LLC filed as a Domestic Limited Liability Company (LLC) on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 in the state of Texas and is currently active. The company's line of business includes Contractor.

    Looks like Texas has really accepted that whole "corporations are persons" thing, when two corps are shown as 'officers' of a company.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Huh? If regulations from the Obama administration did not cause the company to fail, and they did not, thenthen Grim's claim fails. Blaming me for his failure is hilarious.
    Well done! - 17 pages to beat home a point that should have been understood on page 1.

    The OP had runnoft PDQ, but attempted a comeback - to no avail.

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