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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Should we trade air quality and peoples health for jobs?
    He is just trying to blame me for his inability to support his claim.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I agree with not taking the CEO at his word, but if he cited the reg, and showed exactly how it affected the building of the plant, on their accounting books and in their planning schedule, and how those regs made it impossible for the company to move forward at this time, and we investigated and discovered that the company had made no errors in its development or accounting...

    Redress would still claim "THERE IS NO PROOF! THE COMPANY SUCKS!" and we'd be back to []1. That's my point.
    I may have missed it but I didn't see in the OP where he pointed to any specific reg. They applied for an air permit in May 08 and recieved the permit from the state in Jan. 11. I would think that the company would also be working with the EPA from day one. The only reg that I saw was posted by someone on here and it shows that this reg was put into effect in Jan.04. Also from the OP the city was against this company because of the pollution it would cause.

    Even administrative law judges issued negative rulings against the plant,” Armendariz said. “None of that has anything to do with EPA or federal rules. They should not throw stones at the agency — but instead take a good, hard look at how they were trying to get their permits through. Mayor Nelda Martinez, who early on became an outspoken opponent of the plant, said the risks to public health and air quality thresholds outweighed the benefits.

    “This is great news and a great day for the Corpus Christi region,” Martinez said. “Now we can better protect our people, their health and focus on the expansion of existing industry for future jobs.”
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    As I said to Redress... Just show me where a member of the Administration or someone from the EPA denies the existence of the regulations that were stated in the senate report, then I will be glad to dig them up... Without such, there is no controversy over their existence and I will not facilitate partisan efforts to steer this thread into a direction that some around here deem to be more ideologically pleasing.
    There was this from the OP:

    “This is a victory for our community’s human and environmental health,” he said. “We will continue our efforts against the hazards of air and water pollution, whether from a pet-coke plant, from coal coming through the Port of Corpus Christi, or from other sources.”

    The company’s statement received a strong rebuff from a former EPA official who heads the Sierra Club’s national “Beyond Coal” campaign.

    “The history of the Las Brisas plant tells another story,” said Al Armendariz, once the EPA’s top official in Texas.

    Armendariz, who last year resigned from his White House-appointed post at the EPA after a video surfaced in which he compared environmental justice to crucifixion, said the plant received opposition at the state level, as well.

    Granted he is no longer with the EPA, but at one time was the EPA’s top official in Texas.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Should we trade air quality and peoples health for jobs?

    Oh please....Scare tactics? Is that all you got? I guess using your logic we should all go back to horse and buggy.
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please....Scare tactics? Is that all you got? I guess using your logic we should all go back to horse and buggy.
    ~or~ perhaps we might look back into recent history, note the way things were, and gain some level of understanding rather than express ignorance by typing:

    "
    During 2010, the Los Angeles metropolitan area suffered through three "red alert" smog days and 69 other "smog days." That is three red alert and sixty-nine other smog days too many.

    But let's look for a moment on the bright side. And we mean the bright side as depicted by Plein Air painters rather than the Next Nature-style, particle-aided sunsets that Angelinos hate to love.
    Yes, let's look at today's relative bright side. After all, NRDC President Frances Beinecke writes of traveling to Los Angeles in the 1970s, "when the air hit unhealthy levels of pollution more than 200 days a year." And this New York Times infographic shows decreasing area pollution woes from 1984 to 2004.
    That's good news, because for decades smog was so synonymous with the City of Angels that those same Angels couldn't fly without packing inhalers. Pollution one day in 1903 was so severe residents thought an eclipse was nigh. The San Gabriels used to be so regularly shrouded that Fuji-san seemed like a camera hog. The county as early as 1947 opened the nation's first "air pollution control program." One October day in 1955 was said to be L.A.'s smoggiest ever. Some smog-boggling photos have been collected on this page by KCET colleague Nathan Masters - including a Boy Scout wiping air pollution-produced tears from a girl's face; an underground backyard smog shelter; and Miss Smog Fighter 1951, with sash, recoiling from a just-opened jar full of the stuff.
    Some of those Los Angeles air quality horrors have improved however, thanks to a range of legislative, regulative - and many other significant - reasons.
    Man selling fresh clean desert air for 50 cents a balloonfull in front of Loew's State Theatre in Los Angeles, Oct. 22, 1954. Herald-Examiner Collection photo courtesy of The Los Angeles Public Library

    Perhaps the key single factor is the 1970 federal Clean Air Act. "It was such a huge change in the law," Larry Pryor says, nominating the Act as a Law That Shaped L.A, "because local controls were erratic and sensitive to industry costs rather than health costs."
    Pryor is an associate professor at the USC Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism** and a prize-winning former editor and environmental reporter for the Los Angeles Times.
    During a recent interview, Pryor recounted the back story that led to the passage of the federal Clean Air Act, as well as the related creation of the California Air Resources Board to administer the Act at the state level.
    Signed into law by President Richard Nixon on December 31, 1970, eight months after the first Earth Day, the Clean Air Act set comprehensive emissions limits and allowed the newly established EPA to regulate seven harmful chemicals. The Act and its federal bully pulpit led to the expanded influence - or in some cases the creation of - local agencies such as the California Air Resources Board to administer the Clean Air Act. The Act was updated in 1977 and dramatically in 1990."


    How Los Angeles Began to Put its Smoggy Days Behind | Laws That Shaped LA | Land of Sunshine | KCET


    Still....I'm sure you have something other than failure to comprehend to base your comment on. (please note sarcasm)

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    ~or~ perhaps we might look back into recent history, note the way things were, and gain some level of understanding rather than express ignorance by typing:

    "
    During 2010, the Los Angeles metropolitan area suffered through three "red alert" smog days and 69 other "smog days." That is three red alert and sixty-nine other smog days too many.

    But let's look for a moment on the bright side. And we mean the bright side as depicted by Plein Air painters rather than the Next Nature-style, particle-aided sunsets that Angelinos hate to love.
    Yes, let's look at today's relative bright side. After all, NRDC President Frances Beinecke writes of traveling to Los Angeles in the 1970s, "when the air hit unhealthy levels of pollution more than 200 days a year." And this New York Times infographic shows decreasing area pollution woes from 1984 to 2004.
    That's good news, because for decades smog was so synonymous with the City of Angels that those same Angels couldn't fly without packing inhalers. Pollution one day in 1903 was so severe residents thought an eclipse was nigh. The San Gabriels used to be so regularly shrouded that Fuji-san seemed like a camera hog. The county as early as 1947 opened the nation's first "air pollution control program." One October day in 1955 was said to be L.A.'s smoggiest ever. Some smog-boggling photos have been collected on this page by KCET colleague Nathan Masters - including a Boy Scout wiping air pollution-produced tears from a girl's face; an underground backyard smog shelter; and Miss Smog Fighter 1951, with sash, recoiling from a just-opened jar full of the stuff.
    Some of those Los Angeles air quality horrors have improved however, thanks to a range of legislative, regulative - and many other significant - reasons.
    Man selling fresh clean desert air for 50 cents a balloonfull in front of Loew's State Theatre in Los Angeles, Oct. 22, 1954. Herald-Examiner Collection photo courtesy of The Los Angeles Public Library

    Perhaps the key single factor is the 1970 federal Clean Air Act. "It was such a huge change in the law," Larry Pryor says, nominating the Act as a Law That Shaped L.A, "because local controls were erratic and sensitive to industry costs rather than health costs."
    Pryor is an associate professor at the USC Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism** and a prize-winning former editor and environmental reporter for the Los Angeles Times.
    During a recent interview, Pryor recounted the back story that led to the passage of the federal Clean Air Act, as well as the related creation of the California Air Resources Board to administer the Act at the state level.
    Signed into law by President Richard Nixon on December 31, 1970, eight months after the first Earth Day, the Clean Air Act set comprehensive emissions limits and allowed the newly established EPA to regulate seven harmful chemicals. The Act and its federal bully pulpit led to the expanded influence - or in some cases the creation of - local agencies such as the California Air Resources Board to administer the Clean Air Act. The Act was updated in 1977 and dramatically in 1990."


    How Los Angeles Began to Put its Smoggy Days Behind | Laws That Shaped LA | Land of Sunshine | KCET


    Still....I'm sure you have something other than failure to comprehend to base your comment on. (please note sarcasm)

    Oh come on....The picture is laughable....hhahahahahaha! Man you greenies fall for anything don't you.....
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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please....Scare tactics? Is that all you got? I guess using your logic we should all go back to horse and buggy.
    Your logic makes no sense at all, I want to stop burning coal. You apparently want to keep burning coal like we have done since * the horse and buggy days.


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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh come on....The picture is laughable....hhahahahahaha! Man you greenies fall for anything don't you.....
    You have managed to support my comments, define ignorance, and portray yourself as something less than an informed, rational, and logical thinking example of our species....I thank you.

    The extremely well thought out and informative pile of regurgitated mindset you represent failed a few years ago...yet it seems you may have missed it. As it is, you represent a past most see as somewhat pathetic...though it is a bit too recent to call you something less pleasant.

    Our Planet is not doing very well...and if you are unable to see it you no longer matter, as you are a part of the cause.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh come on....The picture is laughable....hhahahahahaha! Man you greenies fall for anything don't you.....
    Smog issues in major cities are verifiable fact. One does not have to be a "greeny" to know that.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

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