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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, but it goes further than that...These are people that have been in, and continue to be in our congress, whereas over time, and shifts in minority/majority their views could become reality. That we know how they think, is just as important as what they can do.
    Not remotely likely. Couldn't hold up in the courts even if they could beat the fantastic odds and pass something. And there is nothing someone doesn't think, so you have a lot to fear by that reasoning.

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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

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    Not remotely likely. Couldn't hold up in the courts even if they could beat the fantastic odds and pass something. And there is nothing someone doesn't think, so you have a lot to fear by that reasoning.

    Think about where fear comes from Joe....Would you agree that fear, rational, or not, comes from a loss of control, or power?
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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Think about where fear comes from Joe....Would you agree that fear, rational, or not, comes from a loss of control, or power?
    Or change in general.

    But, you have not lost much, and nine of us can control everything. We just can't. You could rm yourself to the teeth, and it will still take someone no work at all to take you out. Guns too often just give a false sense of security.

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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or change in general.

    But, you have not lost much, and nine of us can control everything. We just can't. You could rm yourself to the teeth, and it will still take someone no work at all to take you out. Guns too often just give a false sense of security.

    So we agree that at least part of the problem is a loss of control, or power. I assert that it is this loss of control, primarily over the government that are supposed to answer to us, we the people, but no longer feel the need to do so, that moves people to own increasing numbers of firearms.

    You say I "haven't lost much".... I would argue that any infringement is a loss and should be fought against.
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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So we agree that at least part of the problem is a loss of control, or power. I assert that it is this loss of control, primarily over the government that are supposed to answer to us, we the people, but no longer feel the need to do so, that moves people to own increasing numbers of firearms.

    You say I "haven't lost much".... I would argue that any infringement is a loss and should be fought against.
    Again not true. If there was no public support for restrictions, not even your most liberal or liberals would do either an EO or try to pass legislation. So they are being accountable to the public. Th biggest trouble you ace is that much of the public is changing their views. But, the Constitution and the courts have set limits on what can be done.

    The point is, government isn't your biggest problem

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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again not true.
    Which part, be specific.

    If there was no public support for restrictions, not even your most liberal or liberals would do either an EO or try to pass legislation.
    Wrongly using stats, or cherry picking based on misleading questions in a poll do not equal the assertion of majority support for restricting guns from legal ownership by responsible citizens.

    So they are being accountable to the public.
    No, they are not. What they are doing is trumping up phony stats, based on knee jerk reaction to a tragedy, and falsely claiming that it is a crisis.

    The biggest trouble you face is that much of the public is changing their views. But, the Constitution and the courts have set limits on what can be done.
    If that is indeed the case then, the avenue liberals have to change the constitution is to go through the amendment process....Why do I think that will not be the case?

    The point is, government isn't your biggest problem
    I prefer the wisdom of Reagan in answer to this assertion....

    "Government isn't the answer to your problem, Government IS the problem...."
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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Which part, be specific.



    Wrongly using stats, or cherry picking based on misleading questions in a poll do not equal the assertion of majority support for restricting guns from legal ownership by responsible citizens.



    No, they are not. What they are doing is trumping up phony stats, based on knee jerk reaction to a tragedy, and falsely claiming that it is a crisis.



    If that is indeed the case then, the avenue liberals have to change the constitution is to go through the amendment process....Why do I think that will not be the case?



    I prefer the wisdom of Reagan in answer to this assertion....

    "Government isn't the answer to your problem, Government IS the problem...."
    -Ronald Reagan
    You do realize I went on to explanation what wasn't true?

    Nor have I cherry picked a poll. It is largely all honest polls.

    And no, you being closed to the stats and the actual arguments don't make anything phones. In fact, TD used very phones stats in deafening having a gun when he used hose saying people prevented more crime than anything else. That bit had no objective numbers at all to back it.

    As there is no likelihood of an amendment, as the support is for restrictions and not out right ban, there is nothing that can be done but what has been. The debate s not banning, but where he lone is concerning restrictions.

    And, yes, Reagan had a good platitude. Lacked any real meaning, but plays well.

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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realize I went on to explanation what wasn't true?
    Answering a question with a question of your own is a dodge.

    Nor have I cherry picked a poll. It is largely all honest polls.
    I didn't say "YOU" now did I? I was referring to the polls you cite that over sample, and ask purposely leading questions to cherry pick later to skew the true sentiment of the country in an issue.

    And no, you being closed to the stats and the actual arguments don't make anything phones. In fact, TD used very phones stats in deafening having a gun when he used hose saying people prevented more crime than anything else. That bit had no objective numbers at all to back it.
    I am not here to make TD's argument for him, I am quite sure that he can handle himself against your pap. You'd do better focusing on my objections to your argument.

    As there is no likelihood of an amendment
    Why not? I mean if there is such an overwhelming support for it? Or are you just blowing smoke?

    as the support is for restrictions and not out right ban, there is nothing that can be done but what has been. The debate s not banning, but where he lone is concerning restrictions.
    Well, you prefer that the populace remain focused on the present day, whereas those of us concerned, are looking at the end goal. We are on to your incremental placement.

    And, yes, Reagan had a good platitude. Lacked any real meaning, but plays well.
    Not platitude, truism......There is a difference....
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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Answering a question with a question of your own is a dodge.



    I didn't say "YOU" now did I? I was referring to the polls you cite that over sample, and ask purposely leading questions to cherry pick later to skew the true sentiment of the country in an issue.



    I am not here to make TD's argument for him, I am quite sure that he can handle himself against your pap. You'd do better focusing on my objections to your argument.



    Why not? I mean if there is such an overwhelming support for it? Or are you just blowing smoke?



    Well, you prefer that the populace remain focused on the present day, whereas those of us concerned, are looking at the end goal. We are on to your incremental placement.



    Not platitude, truism......There is a difference....
    The question was rhetorical. You asking what you asked made no sense.

    Polls are a snap shot, and there are many. But I have no doubt that is assault weapon restrictions were put to a direct vote, the restrictions would pass.

    Read carefully j, no one sad there was support for either a total ban or an amendment. Only support for limitations.

    J, we can someone fr any end goal you can think of. You have to show not that a few hold a goal, but that there some reasonable path to accomplishing it. This is a simple point.

    Nope, platitude.

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    Re: 'Enough is enough,' Feinstein says in proposing new gun ban [W:93]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The question was rhetorical. You asking what you asked made no sense.
    If you can't make sense of a simple question, maybe it is time for you to look inward.

    Polls are a snap shot, and there are many. But I have no doubt that is assault weapon restrictions were put to a direct vote, the restrictions would pass.
    Too bad your liberal/progressive leaders don't share in your confidence. If they did, then they would indeed put it to a vote, but they won't....Explain that.

    Read carefully j, no one sad there was support for either a total ban or an amendment. Only support for limitations.
    I think you misjudge, and misread the American public on this, as well as much else.

    J, we can someone fr any end goal you can think of.
    What? I've asked you to proof read before, now you are just not making any sense.

    You have to show not that a few hold a goal, but that there some reasonable path to accomplishing it. This is a simple point.
    Feinstein appeared with Durbin, and Schumer by her side, and I would expect that the entire "progressive caucus" is behind this unconstitutional steaming pile of hers.

    Nope, platitude.
    heh, heh.....You don't know what you're talking about. That is clear.
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