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In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people

madman said:
and i would expect a church and their legal representation would defend on their principle seeing how they think they are exempt from laws that they do not like.

When there's a law that you dont like: use a law that goes against your church teachings becasue that's your only option.



or


When there's a law that you dont like, use the bible for your defense and argue that it goes against the churches teachings and that it violates Freedom from religion (you know, just like how the church is suing the fed for Obamacare.

Pick one of the above to fight for your cause :lamo
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More like we don't want to pay money so we'll take the abortionist stance on the unborn.
 
madman said:
and i would expect a church and their legal representation would defend on their principle seeing how they think they are exempt from laws that they do not like.

When there's a law that you dont like: use a law that goes against your church teachings becasue that's your only option.



or


When there's a law that you dont like, use the bible for your defense and argue that it goes against the churches teachings and that it violates Freedom from religion (you know, just like how the church is suing the fed for Obamacare.

Pick one of the above to fight for your cause :lamo
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I would expect people to understand this has nothing to do with the church and everything to do with the insurance company that is handling the case - not to mention as I have already stated previously one doesn't have to be Christian to work at a hospital with "St." before it's name. I mean you may as well claim everyone who lives in St. Louis is a Christian.

Apparently this issue is too complicated for you to understand, which is clear considering you continually are bringing up the church which has ZERO relevance in this case.
 
Mr.Nick said:
So in short you expect doctors to be perfect? because that is what you're implying without actually saying it.
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Yes, Nick, though I explicitly pointed to the fact my argument has nothing to do with perfection, and that I never uttered anything contrary, my entire argument revolves around that point, and not the ones I outlined numerous times for you

I'm not sure how I ever expected to get that one past you, but here we are ...
 
jamesrage said:
More like we don't want to pay money so we'll take the abortionist stance on the unborn.
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Pretty much.. But that is all the insurance provider.

Remember this is the plaintiff vs the insurance company not the church or even the doctor.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, Nick, though I explicitly pointed to the fact my argument has nothing to do with perfection, and that I never uttered anything contrary, my entire argument revolves around that point, and not the ones I outlined numerous times for you

I'm not sure how I ever expected to get that one past you, but here we are ...
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Yes it does have everything to do with perfection - that is your entire argument - the doctor is at fault because he didn't answer his pager which by de facto implies he should practice perfection by somehow answering the page.

Hell you just admitted it in the bold.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
LOL~!!!

Part of me wants to think you're just trolling
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You can believe whatever you like.

I've been extremely blunt and you have been extremely vague making implications while back-peddling.
 
from your previous posts I doubt if you even understand what those words mean
 
Remember all the liberals in arms when Obama‘s legal team argued before the courts that the health care insurance mandate is constitutional because it is a tax, while promising to people, no new taxes would be created!

me either!

Seems like a very similar situation. The primary difference is in Obama’s case, he is an elected official exhibiting the hypocrisy.
 
notquiteright said:
My view is that in the USofA Catholic affiliated hospitals are corporations first and religious institutions second.
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Just a slight correction: It's a corp that wants to follow it's principles when it comes to issues like abortion and birth control, but not when it will cost them money, such as in this case
 
ARealConservative said:
Remember all the liberals in arms when Obama‘s legal team argued before the courts that the health care insurance mandate is constitutional because it is a tax, while promising to people, no new taxes would be created!

me either!

Seems like a very similar situation. The primary difference is in Obama’s case, he is an elected official exhibiting the hypocrisy.
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So you are saying the religion is just as hypocritical as a politician? Ok, I can agree with that.
 
TheNextEra said:
So you are saying the religion is just as hypocritical as a politician? Ok, I can agree with that.
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I'm clearly saying the individuals in charge of that Catholic Church court case are hypocritical, as are all the liberals in this thread that ignored Obama doing the same BS
 
ARealConservative said:
I'm clearly saying the individuals in charge of that Catholic Church court case are hypocritical, as are all the liberals in this thread that ignored Obama doing the same BS
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This case has nothing to do with the church.

If people don't know doctors carry malpractice insurance (it costs a lot of $$$$).

The church has absolutely nothing to do with this case.
 
madman said:
So, the church uses a law that goes against their teaching for defense? Doesn't sound like principle to me.
This is more picking and choosing even though it goes against their principles.

And i wonder why the church is is suing the fed over Obamacare. :confused:
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The law is the law... the same way your own principles can't make something legal, it can't make something illegal.

I don't think they are ethically going against their principles, just using the system to reduce a charge on a very bad mistake this doctor made.
It is ironic... but not it a incriminating way though.

Same kind of thing with not believing in government assistance, but taking as much as you can get that is available to you. You don't right the rules to the "game" you just play it till the game destroys itself so you can say, "see I was right all along."
 
ARealConservative said:
Remember all the liberals in arms when Obama‘s legal team argued before the courts that the health care insurance mandate is constitutional because it is a tax, while promising to people, no new taxes would be created!

me either!

Seems like a very similar situation. The primary difference is in Obama’s case, he is an elected official exhibiting the hypocrisy.
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No - I don't remember that "Obama‘s legal team argued before the courts that the health care insurance mandate is constitutional because it is a tax". It was the justices of the SCOTUS who made that call
 
Mr.Nick said:
You're absolutely wrong with everything you just said - as a matter of fact you just made all that up via speculation.

None of these hospitals are guided by the Catholic church nor are these hospitals faith based.

Furthermore, they're funded via individual contribution not by the church itself (although donations do come from the church occasionally).
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Mr Nick has made several fallacious and unjustified arguments in discussing this case. Every one indicates that he is posting without bothering to do a bit of reading

from the website of CHI - owner of the Colorado hospital

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The mission of Catholic Health Initiatives is to nurture the healing ministry of the Church by bringing it new life, energy and viability in the 21st century. Fidelity to the Gospel urges us to emphasize human dignity and social justice as we move toward the creation of healthier communities.
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digsbe said:
A malpractice case deals with the laws on the books. Under the laws fetuses are not given human rights or considered persons.
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The above bears repeating...over and over and over again. Thus those who CLAIM women who have abortions are MURDERERS...can't back it up...period, using the guise of the law to make his or her argument.
 
Oooopsies! Looks like some lawyers just might have made a boo boo in this case

Catholic Hospital: Fetus not legally a person - The Denver Post
DENVER—Colorado's Catholic bishops will review a church hospital's legal argument that it should not be liable for the death of unborn twins because a fetus is not a person under state law.

The arguments were made in papers Englewood-based Catholic Health Initiatives filed in 2010 to persuade a judge to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit against St. Thomas More Hospital in Canon City. They appeared to contradict the church's centuries-old stance that life begins at conception.

In a statement Thursday evening, the bishops said they would review the litigation to ensure it complied with church doctrine.
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Somerville said:
Mr Nick has made several fallacious and unjustified arguments in discussing this case. Every one indicates that he is posting without bothering to do a bit of reading

from the website of CHI - owner of the Colorado hospital
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Believe what you like... I've never heard of a "Catholic" insurance company.

I need a nap from all this ignorance...

Yabba dabba doo....
 
Mr.Nick said:
Believe what you like... I've never heard of a "Catholic" insurance company.

I need a nap from all this ignorance...

Yabba dabba doo....
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Oh that's so cute. "Catholic" insurance company"!!!


I wonder who wrote these words
None of these hospitals are guided by the Catholic church nor are these hospitals faith based.
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Somerville said:
Oh that's so cute. "Catholic" insurance company"!!!


I wonder who wrote these words
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I think his point was that the hospitals parent company is unlikely to be handling the case, and that a malpractice insurance company would.

Seems like it would make sense in most circumstances, though I am unsure it applies here
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I think his point was that the hospitals parent company is unlikely to be handling the case, and that a malpractice insurance company would.

Seems like it would make sense in most circumstances, though I am unsure it applies here
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It may have been Mr Nick's "point" but his words denied the facts about the corporate mission of Catholic Health Initiatives.
 
Somerville said:
No - I don't remember that "Obama‘s legal team argued before the courts that the health care insurance mandate is constitutional because it is a tax". It was the justices of the SCOTUS who made that call
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PolitiFact | Supreme Court upholds argument that "penalty" is a tax

In its legal brief, the department says the penalty is also a tax because it will raise revenue — $4 billion a year by 2017, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office — and because it's imposed and collected under the Internal Revenue Code. Individuals who refuse to obtain health insurance and are penalized will have to report the fine "as an addition to income tax liability," the brief says.
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you lose
 
Mr.Nick said:
This case has nothing to do with the church.

If people don't know doctors carry malpractice insurance (it costs a lot of $$$$).

The church has absolutely nothing to do with this case.
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the church disagrees with you
 
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