So, the church uses a law that goes against their teaching for defense? Doesn't sound like principle to me.
This is more picking and choosing even though it goes against their principles.
And i wonder why the church is is suing the fed over Obamacare.
To me it seems as though the fetuses did not have rights because they died on their own, "like God intended," whereas had the harlot of a woman chosen to terminate the pregnancy early on because she wasn't prepared to be a mother then they would have had rights because "God said so." I'm really sorry for that woman and her children. The situation sounds unfortunate and terrible.
So basically,you want a US law based on your religious beliefs even though not everyone believes in your religion? right
I just had a similar discussion/argument with a peer in one of my classes, but it had to do with same-sex marriage instead. We got into separation of church and state debate and the woman exclaimed that because the bible said that it was law, it was, and it didn't matter if I didn't believe in god, I was wrong for suggesting that religious people should keep their religion to themselves, in their families, and within their churches. I wasn't suggesting and never argumentatively announced that I felt that people shouldn't be allowed to be religious, I just stated that it wasn't fair to push one's beliefs on me if I don't agree with them. I think that in the case of homosexuality, women's rights, and abortion, yes, religious people do feel that United States law should be based around their beliefs even if it conflicts with other peoples. I'm not particularly singling out
digsbe here because I don't know if that is what they want, but your response to them reminded me of my recent frustrating conversation.
Not everyone lives their lives in a purely atheistic/secular manner either, why have US law based on secular/atheistic beliefs even though not everyone believes in accordance with that? (especially when doing such may violate human rights)
In the case of abortion, having the "atheistic/secular belief" as law would allow anyone to make their own decision to have an abortion or not have an abortion which doesn't negatively affect a religious person. They are then allowed to choose to carry their pregnancy to term as their god wanted them to do. Letting religion get involved and create laws saying that no one is allowed to have abortions at all because it makes certain religious people grumpy forces one groups interests on another. As much as people like to spit out that atheist people are terrible, horrible, evil people, all of their interests revolve around letting people be themselves. Do I think you should have twenty-seven children? No, that's extremely irresponsible, but if your god has told you that your path in life is to pop out as many children as possible, that's none of my damn business and I wouldn't dream of telling you that my opposing views on it should stop you from doing it.
It is the same thing with same-sex marriage. Atheistic laws would allow anyone to make any choice they choose to when it comes to marrying another adult, regardless of sex, and starting their own families. Religious laws take some groups of people's interests and force others to live by that law. So in essence that is why US law should be based around "secular/atheistic beliefs." None of those laws impede on individual rights.
Sure there are.
Do you have any kids? I do. While my wife was pregnant I had all sorts of reasons for wanting my unborn child protected that had nothing at all to do with religion. You would have to be some kind of moron to argue otherwise.
But you and your wife wanted the child. I'm not arguing, I'm just saying that your feelings were so strong because you wanted to have that child.
The laws is not meant to, nor has the power to, assuage your feelings of loss. That's why miscarriages are not illegal
Well that and because you can't really control miscarriages and holding a woman responsible for something she couldn't control is ridiculous... even though my state is trying to pass a law that would consider a woman a murderer for having a miscarriage.