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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    On a legal footing I don't disagree with their defense. What they are arguing is correct as far as the law is concerned.

    According to my beliefs on human rights I think the law is wrong and fetuses should be protected to some degree, I would support prosecuting on malpractice cases when fetal life has been harmed. If my beliefs on human rights were law then this hospital and doctor would be held liable for malpractice.
    So basically,you want a US law based on your religious beliefs even though not everyone believes in your religion? right

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You misunderstand what I'm saying. Don't apply the actions of one hospital or Catholic doctor upon the entire Catholic church and say that the church is going back on their doctrine.

    Nice nitpicking one point to make an out of context statement while ignoring the rest though.
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    ahhh, got ya! so do you disagree with the hospital's defense, right?

    Gentlemen, this is not "one hospital" arguing the defence in this case, it is a large corporation that owns a lot of "health facilities"
    from the OP link
    The lead defendant in the case is Catholic Health Initiatives, the Englewood-based nonprofit that runs St. Thomas More Hospital as well as roughly 170 other health facilities in 17 states. Last year, the hospital chain reported national assets of $15 billion. The organization’s mission, according to its promotional literature, is to “nurture the healing ministry of the Church” and to be guided by “fidelity to the Gospel.” Toward those ends, Catholic Health facilities seek to follow the Ethical and Religious Directives of the Catholic Church authored by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Those rules have stirred controversy for decades, mainly for forbidding non-natural birth control and abortions. “Catholic health care ministry witnesses to the sanctity of life ‘from the moment of conception until death,’” the directives state. “The Church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn.”
    the real kicker in the case, which has seen two courts rule in favour of the corporation, is shown in the plea to the Colorado State Supreme Court
    In September, the Stodghills’ Aspen-based attorney Beth Krulewitch working with Denver-based attorney Dan Gerash appealed the case to the state Supreme Court. In their petition they argued that Judges Thorson and Roy overlooked key facts and set bad legal precedent that would open loopholes in Colorado’s malpractice law, relieving doctors of responsibility to patients whose viable fetuses are at risk.
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    So basically,you want a US law based on your religious beliefs even though not everyone believes in your religion? right
    Did I ever mention religion? Regardless, all I've mentioned is my position on human rights and the fact that I think because fetuses are humans they should have certain rights (with a right to life being among them).

    Not everyone lives their lives in a purely atheistic/secular manner either, why have US law based on secular/atheistic beliefs even though not everyone believes in accordance with that? (especially when doing such may violate human rights)
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    So basically,you want a US law based on your religious beliefs even though not everyone believes in your religion? right
    I don't see where he mentioned a religious reason for believing that a "fetus should be protected to some degree". Grasping at straws there...

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I don't see where he mentioned a religious reason for believing that a "fetus should be protected to some degree". Grasping at straws there...
    There are no non-religious reasons for believing that a fetus should be protected by the law.
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There are no non-religious reasons for believing that a fetus should be protected by the law.
    Sure there are.

    Do you have any kids? I do. While my wife was pregnant I had all sorts of reasons for wanting my unborn child protected that had nothing at all to do with religion. You would have to be some kind of moron to argue otherwise.
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Sure there are.

    Do you have any kids? I do. While my wife was pregnant I had all sorts of reasons for wanting my unborn child protected that had nothing at all to do with religion. You would have to be some kind of moron to argue otherwise.
    And yet, you can't name one non-religious reason why a fetus should be protected by law
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet, you can't name one non-religious reason why a fetus should be protected by law
    Because the unborn child in my wife's womb is ours and the loss we would feel should anything happen would be tremendous.
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Because the unborn child in my wife's womb is ours and the loss we would feel should anything happen would be tremendous.
    The laws is not meant to, nor has the power to, assuage your feelings of loss. That's why miscarriages are not illegal
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The laws is not meant to, nor has the power to, assuage your feelings of loss. That's why miscarriages are not illegal
    Then you must not support the existing double-murder laws, both at the individual state and federal level, for murders of pregnant women. Correct?

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