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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It may have been Mr Nick's "point" but his words denied the facts about the corporate mission of Catholic Health Initiatives.

    I'm only speaking to the issue of who is possibly handling the case

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I mean, you use the defense of "those fetuses are not persons with legal rights"?


    In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people | The Colorado Independent


    So if a doctor had aborted those babies rather than not answering his pager he wouldn't have been charged with anything?

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So if a doctor had aborted those babies rather than not answering his pager he wouldn't have been charged with anything?

    This is not an abortion case. It is an instance of medical malpractice - the doctor was on call, that obligates him to answer emergencies when notified by the hospital AND the hospital had no Plan B in place for those times Plan A (doctor on-call) didn't work.

    Aborting the foetuses in this one case might have brought criminal charges as they were viable, (7 months) and had shown no problems during the pregnancy. This was a case of a doctor not answering the phone when he had promised to do so, particularly bad in this one case as the mother was one of his own patients.
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Ohhh, but many want it to be. I see many thinly veiled bible based laws coming out with regards to abortion.
    The Catholic Church isn't going to make a martyr of itself in court. I'm not even religious, but expecting an institution to do anything but cover its own ass is being pretentious.

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No this is a situation in which an individual is using stupid law and logic against those who apply it.

    One doesn't have to agree with a law to use it as defense.

    Abortion doctors murder babies violating their oath of "do no harm" and they get away with it by declaring the "fetus" isn't a viable form of life... That apparently is the official stance in law - hence a viable defense.

    This is nothing more than a case of "whats good for you is good for me" or "the same laws that apply to you apply to me."

    One can't argue that abortions should be legal then turn around and claim the opposite when it suits their desires in litigation.
    We are somewhat in agreement, as I said pretty much the same thing. I merely was placing a distinction on what the law says and what is right.

    If you don't agree with something yet use it to your advantage none the less, what are you? A hypocrite.

    The Catholic Church claims to hold the keys to Truth. An organization (in theory) who claims a Catholic identity acts representativerepresentitive of the Church and the Truth that goes along with it. If thitheoreticallytheorhetically it is suppose to be) than the laws of man are moot. An organizaallegianceing allegience to the Church has a duty to uphold the Truth first and foremost despite the worldly consequences. To do otherwise makes them a what? Hypocrite.

    As for the doctor and keeping in the context of the thread; The doctor taking the oath "to do no harm" and then ignoring his duties as a doctor thereby causing significant harm or to put it another way -- giving his word to do one thing and then taking actions that directly contradict what he gave his word to do makes him a what? Hypocrite. (the same applies for what you said with abortion but that is outside the context of this discussion)

    Now, third and finally -- The Law. The fact that the case wasn't dismissed outright due to the clarity of what it defines the fetus to be shows that the law isn't concrete, that it is open to interpretation, opinion and argument. This allows for specious and deceptive interpretations to be introduced for consideration. Which is what? A sophism.

    All of this brings us back to the conclusion that this entire matter is one of sophistry, engagehypocritearties -- hyporcrite vs. hypocrite. As my original post had stated.

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Because if harm comes to my unborn child because of the negligence or nefarious activity of another there is a need for justice.
    But according to the law a fetus is not a human in the cases of negligence. The child has to be born to gain protected status. It's why Abortions are legal.

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    yes, because the same expectations of being "on call" exist for all professions.
    What if that Doctor was attending to another patient?

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    What if that Doctor was attending to another patient?
    I'm replying to a post which drew a comparison between a doctor "on call" and your general individual missing a phone call. Clearly the expectations and responsibilities are not the same.

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm replying to a post that drew a comparison between a doctor "on call" and your general individual missing a phone call. Clearly the expectations and responsibilities are not the same.
    And I am making a point you fail to grasp. On call Doctor can get a page but be with another patient. Is the Doctor suppose to up right an leave the patient he or she is with to answer another call?

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