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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You're absolutely wrong with everything you just said - as a matter of fact you just made all that up via speculation.

    None of these hospitals are guided by the Catholic church nor are these hospitals faith based.

    Furthermore, they're funded via individual contribution not by the church itself (although donations do come from the church occasionally).

    Mr Nick has made several fallacious and unjustified arguments in discussing this case. Every one indicates that he is posting without bothering to do a bit of reading

    from the website of CHI - owner of the Colorado hospital

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    The mission of Catholic Health Initiatives is to nurture the healing ministry of the Church by bringing it new life, energy and viability in the 21st century. Fidelity to the Gospel urges us to emphasize human dignity and social justice as we move toward the creation of healthier communities.
    ďAnd I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.Ē
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    A malpractice case deals with the laws on the books. Under the laws fetuses are not given human rights or considered persons.
    The above bears repeating...over and over and over again. Thus those who CLAIM women who have abortions are MURDERERS...can't back it up...period, using the guise of the law to make his or her argument.

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Oooopsies! Looks like some lawyers just might have made a boo boo in this case

    Catholic Hospital: Fetus not legally a person - The Denver Post
    DENVER—Colorado's Catholic bishops will review a church hospital's legal argument that it should not be liable for the death of unborn twins because a fetus is not a person under state law.

    The arguments were made in papers Englewood-based Catholic Health Initiatives filed in 2010 to persuade a judge to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit against St. Thomas More Hospital in Canon City. They appeared to contradict the church's centuries-old stance that life begins at conception.

    In a statement Thursday evening, the bishops said they would review the litigation to ensure it complied with church doctrine.
    ďAnd I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.Ē
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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Mr Nick has made several fallacious and unjustified arguments in discussing this case. Every one indicates that he is posting without bothering to do a bit of reading

    from the website of CHI - owner of the Colorado hospital
    Believe what you like... I've never heard of a "Catholic" insurance company.

    I need a nap from all this ignorance...

    Yabba dabba doo....

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Believe what you like... I've never heard of a "Catholic" insurance company.

    I need a nap from all this ignorance...

    Yabba dabba doo....

    Oh that's so cute. "Catholic" insurance company"!!!


    I wonder who wrote these words
    None of these hospitals are guided by the Catholic church nor are these hospitals faith based.
    ďAnd I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.Ē
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Oh that's so cute. "Catholic" insurance company"!!!


    I wonder who wrote these words
    I think his point was that the hospitals parent company is unlikely to be handling the case, and that a malpractice insurance company would.

    Seems like it would make sense in most circumstances, though I am unsure it applies here

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I think his point was that the hospitals parent company is unlikely to be handling the case, and that a malpractice insurance company would.

    Seems like it would make sense in most circumstances, though I am unsure it applies here

    It may have been Mr Nick's "point" but his words denied the facts about the corporate mission of Catholic Health Initiatives.
    ďAnd I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.Ē
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    No - I don't remember that "ObamaĎs legal team argued before the courts that the health care insurance mandate is constitutional because it is a tax". It was the justices of the SCOTUS who made that call
    PolitiFact | Supreme Court upholds argument that "penalty" is a tax

    In its legal brief, the department says the penalty is also a tax because it will raise revenue ó $4 billion a year by 2017, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office ó and because it's imposed and collected under the Internal Revenue Code. Individuals who refuse to obtain health insurance and are penalized will have to report the fine "as an addition to income tax liability," the brief says.


    you lose

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    This case has nothing to do with the church.

    If people don't know doctors carry malpractice insurance (it costs a lot of $$$$).

    The church has absolutely nothing to do with this case.
    the church disagrees with you

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    Re: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arenít people

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the church disagrees with you
    And it's not like a company that size doesn't carry leverage with their insurer

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