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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

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    I have a better idea: post some documentation proving that coed units are historically successful.
    You made the claim. You said that it was known.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

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    Roza Shanina, a Soviet sniper during World War II, credited with 54 confirmed target hits. About 400,000 Soviet women served in front-line duty units,[1] chiefly as medics and nurses.
    Is this some pathetic attempt to justify women on the front lines or being involved in combat related duties ?

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Even on the so called, "modern battlefield", the front is still the front. Infantry units don't operate in rearward support areas.
    But people can be killed anywhere so why not let women have the designation of having served in combat? I really don't care. We are a generation or 2 from having a drone military anyway.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Is this some pathetic attempt to justify women on the front lines or being involved in combat related duties ?
    No, this one is:

    JERUSALEM -- A deadly shootout last week along Israel's border with Egypt has shined a spotlight on Israel's only mixed female and male combat unit, granting some recognition to a group that has faced much skepticism and often been the butt of jokes since its inception.

    The Caracal battalion's response to the militant attack on Friday – which left three gunmen dead, including one whom Israeli officials said was killed by a female soldier – marked a major test for the unit that typically handles tame operations. One Israeli soldier also was killed.

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    "If the Caracal force wasn't there in those critical moments, it's clear to everyone that we could have faced a difficult attack," Col. Guy Biton, the commander of the Sagi Brigade that oversees the battalion, told the Maariv daily newspaper.

    Caracal Batallion, Israel's Only Co-Ed Combat Unit, Proves Its Worth

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You made the claim. You said that it was known.
    It's a fact, that because of the failure of coed combat arms units, the IDF banned women from serving in those units. Even now, that ban is still mostly in place, since they have only ONE coed combat arms unit and it's yet to be tested in battle.

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    Israel is the only nation with real-world experience putting women in combat. Having gained that experience, Israel has banned women from combat units since 1950. Israel’s lessons were hard-won; the feminists in Congress have yet to learn them.

    The first lesson is that men could be taught to kill strangers, but they would not stop caring for women. That is as it should be: civilized countries want to create soldiers, not savages. During the 1948 War of Liberation Israeli men would abandon their missions to come to the aid of women in distress, thereby endangering their missions, their units and themselves.

    The Case Against Women in Combat
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, this one is:

    JERUSALEM -- A deadly shootout last week along Israel's border with Egypt has shined a spotlight on Israel's only mixed female and male combat unit, granting some recognition to a group that has faced much skepticism and often been the butt of jokes since its inception.

    The Caracal battalion's response to the militant attack on Friday – which left three gunmen dead, including one whom Israeli officials said was killed by a female soldier – marked a major test for the unit that typically handles tame operations. One Israeli soldier also was killed.

    (snip)

    "If the Caracal force wasn't there in those critical moments, it's clear to everyone that we could have faced a difficult attack," Col. Guy Biton, the commander of the Sagi Brigade that oversees the battalion, told the Maariv daily newspaper.

    Caracal Batallion, Israel's Only Co-Ed Combat Unit, Proves Its Worth
    The Caracals have only been in one minor firefight, where one of the female soldiers was guilty of cowardice under fire.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, this one is:

    JERUSALEM -- A deadly shootout last week along Israel's border with Egypt has shined a spotlight on Israel's only mixed female and male combat unit, granting some recognition to a group that has faced much skepticism and often been the butt of jokes since its inception.

    The Caracal battalion's response to the militant attack on Friday – which left three gunmen dead, including one whom Israeli officials said was killed by a female soldier – marked a major test for the unit that typically handles tame operations. One Israeli soldier also was killed.

    (snip)

    "If the Caracal force wasn't there in those critical moments, it's clear to everyone that we could have faced a difficult attack," Col. Guy Biton, the commander of the Sagi Brigade that oversees the battalion, told the Maariv daily newspaper.

    Caracal Batallion, Israel's Only Co-Ed Combat Unit, Proves Its Worth
    The question is: Can a woman live in the mud on a mountaintop for weeks and weeks without having feminine hygiene issues? As of now the Army policy says no for hygiene reasons. So we already are seeing a difference in standards.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    But people can be killed anywhere so why not let women have the designation of having served in combat?
    In all female units, sure. I would support that 100%.


    I really don't care. We are a generation or 2 from having a drone military anyway.
    Well, I do. My sons may be on the battlefield one day and I don't want their chances of survival to be decreased in the name of political correctness.

    Same goes for my daughters; I want them to have the best chance of making it off the battlefield intact, both mentally and physically and a unit that isn't cohered and has low morale will decrease that chance for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In all female units, sure. I would support that 100%.
    Give me a company of PMS'ing lumberjack lesbians with their periods all synched up and I will deliver to you the world in a matter of months, My Lord.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The question is: Can a woman live in the mud on a mountaintop for weeks and weeks without having feminine hygiene issues? As of now the Army policy says no for hygiene reasons. So we already are seeing a difference in standards.
    I hate this failed point you're delivering. Do you know my cycle and how much of a 'mess' it is? Do you know if I even have one? When is it - how heavy - how messy? Do you need details? When was the last time you **** down your leg in a watery mess? Hmm?

    A lot of women have it entirely under control - for many it's never a problem. No cramps. Infections tend to come from sexual activity. Men even get infections - heavens knows guys ask for diaper wipes in their care packages and care products for pubic lice and have to take trips to get treated for the clap.

    So quit with the ick-factor argument. It shows your ignorance on the issue seeing as how you boil us down to the issues of your few partners in life and the stereotypical product of a few maxi pad commercials.

    Leave that concern up to the woman who has to DEAL with it - it's not your concern and not your issue so don't pretend like you're some holy fount of knowledge when you know next to nothing.

    Don't have access to a toilet? You pocket your pad or tampon - and hell - you bleed down your leg if you really have to. **** - who gives a **** . . . it's not much when you add it all up and any mess can eventually be wiped or washed away at some point - everyone has to use the bathroom along the way. No different than a guy jizzing in his shorts at night or whizzing down his jeans when he's prone in the bushes for 10 hours.
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