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Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

In an age of asymmetrical engagement, anywhere in theater could be the "front line" so it really is a matter of recognizing the realities (and a political feel-good propaganda story for the dems to feel like they have done something for the history books since they ain't getting much else done these days).
 
Do you have anything from a credible non-agenda orientated source on that?

(do you know what assumptions I'm asking be questioned?)

I have a better idea: post some documentation proving that coed units are historically successful.
 
She didn't serve in a coed unit, either.

Just to be clear, I'm not opposed to women serving in combat arms units. I'm opposed to the creation of coed combat arms units.

Even the Soviets new better and formed all female units.

What I want to see is evidence of the problem you claim.
 
It's a NO go for me. Thry won't be held to the same standards as men and will be a liabillity in the field.

If you make a soldier attend to a weaker or wounded soldier , youv'e reduced the threat x2.

Youv'e completely neutralized the stronger soldier.
 
In an age of asymmetrical engagement, anywhere in theater could be the "front line" so it really is a matter of recognizing the realities (and a political feel-good propaganda story for the dems to feel like they have done something for the history books since they ain't getting much else done these days).

Even on the so called, "modern battlefield", the front is still the front. Infantry units don't operate in rearward support areas.
 
I have a better idea: post some documentation proving that coed units are historically successful.

You made the claim. You said that it was known.
 
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Roza Shanina, a Soviet sniper during World War II, credited with 54 confirmed target hits. About 400,000 Soviet women served in front-line duty units,[1] chiefly as medics and nurses.

Is this some pathetic attempt to justify women on the front lines or being involved in combat related duties ?
 
Even on the so called, "modern battlefield", the front is still the front. Infantry units don't operate in rearward support areas.

But people can be killed anywhere so why not let women have the designation of having served in combat? I really don't care. We are a generation or 2 from having a drone military anyway.
 
Is this some pathetic attempt to justify women on the front lines or being involved in combat related duties ?

No, this one is:

JERUSALEM -- A deadly shootout last week along Israel's border with Egypt has shined a spotlight on Israel's only mixed female and male combat unit, granting some recognition to a group that has faced much skepticism and often been the butt of jokes since its inception.

The Caracal battalion's response to the militant attack on Friday – which left three gunmen dead, including one whom Israeli officials said was killed by a female soldier – marked a major test for the unit that typically handles tame operations. One Israeli soldier also was killed.

(snip)

"If the Caracal force wasn't there in those critical moments, it's clear to everyone that we could have faced a difficult attack," Col. Guy Biton, the commander of the Sagi Brigade that oversees the battalion, told the Maariv daily newspaper.

Caracal Batallion, Israel's Only Co-Ed Combat Unit, Proves Its Worth
 
You made the claim. You said that it was known.

It's a fact, that because of the failure of coed combat arms units, the IDF banned women from serving in those units. Even now, that ban is still mostly in place, since they have only ONE coed combat arms unit and it's yet to be tested in battle.

Water's wet and the sky is blue.

Israel is the only nation with real-world experience putting women in combat. Having gained that experience, Israel has banned women from combat units since 1950. Israel’s lessons were hard-won; the feminists in Congress have yet to learn them.

The first lesson is that men could be taught to kill strangers, but they would not stop caring for women. That is as it should be: civilized countries want to create soldiers, not savages. During the 1948 War of Liberation Israeli men would abandon their missions to come to the aid of women in distress, thereby endangering their missions, their units and themselves.

The Case Against Women in Combat
 
No, this one is:

JERUSALEM -- A deadly shootout last week along Israel's border with Egypt has shined a spotlight on Israel's only mixed female and male combat unit, granting some recognition to a group that has faced much skepticism and often been the butt of jokes since its inception.

The Caracal battalion's response to the militant attack on Friday – which left three gunmen dead, including one whom Israeli officials said was killed by a female soldier – marked a major test for the unit that typically handles tame operations. One Israeli soldier also was killed.

(snip)

"If the Caracal force wasn't there in those critical moments, it's clear to everyone that we could have faced a difficult attack," Col. Guy Biton, the commander of the Sagi Brigade that oversees the battalion, told the Maariv daily newspaper.

Caracal Batallion, Israel's Only Co-Ed Combat Unit, Proves Its Worth

The Caracals have only been in one minor firefight, where one of the female soldiers was guilty of cowardice under fire.
 
No, this one is:

JERUSALEM -- A deadly shootout last week along Israel's border with Egypt has shined a spotlight on Israel's only mixed female and male combat unit, granting some recognition to a group that has faced much skepticism and often been the butt of jokes since its inception.

The Caracal battalion's response to the militant attack on Friday – which left three gunmen dead, including one whom Israeli officials said was killed by a female soldier – marked a major test for the unit that typically handles tame operations. One Israeli soldier also was killed.

(snip)

"If the Caracal force wasn't there in those critical moments, it's clear to everyone that we could have faced a difficult attack," Col. Guy Biton, the commander of the Sagi Brigade that oversees the battalion, told the Maariv daily newspaper.

Caracal Batallion, Israel's Only Co-Ed Combat Unit, Proves Its Worth
The question is: Can a woman live in the mud on a mountaintop for weeks and weeks without having feminine hygiene issues? As of now the Army policy says no for hygiene reasons. So we already are seeing a difference in standards.
 
But people can be killed anywhere so why not let women have the designation of having served in combat?

In all female units, sure. I would support that 100%.


I really don't care. We are a generation or 2 from having a drone military anyway.

Well, I do. My sons may be on the battlefield one day and I don't want their chances of survival to be decreased in the name of political correctness.

Same goes for my daughters; I want them to have the best chance of making it off the battlefield intact, both mentally and physically and a unit that isn't cohered and has low morale will decrease that chance for them.
 
In all female units, sure. I would support that 100%.

Give me a company of PMS'ing lumberjack lesbians with their periods all synched up and I will deliver to you the world in a matter of months, My Lord.
 
The question is: Can a woman live in the mud on a mountaintop for weeks and weeks without having feminine hygiene issues? As of now the Army policy says no for hygiene reasons. So we already are seeing a difference in standards.

I hate this failed point you're delivering. Do you know my cycle and how much of a 'mess' it is? Do you know if I even have one? When is it - how heavy - how messy? Do you need details? When was the last time you **** down your leg in a watery mess? Hmm?

A lot of women have it entirely under control - for many it's never a problem. No cramps. Infections tend to come from sexual activity. Men even get infections - heavens knows guys ask for diaper wipes in their care packages and care products for pubic lice and have to take trips to get treated for the clap.

So quit with the ick-factor argument. It shows your ignorance on the issue seeing as how you boil us down to the issues of your few partners in life and the stereotypical product of a few maxi pad commercials.

Leave that concern up to the woman who has to DEAL with it - it's not your concern and not your issue so don't pretend like you're some holy fount of knowledge when you know next to nothing.

Don't have access to a toilet? You pocket your pad or tampon - and hell - you bleed down your leg if you really have to. **** - who gives a **** . . . it's not much when you add it all up and any mess can eventually be wiped or washed away at some point - everyone has to use the bathroom along the way. No different than a guy jizzing in his shorts at night or whizzing down his jeans when he's prone in the bushes for 10 hours.
 
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The question is: Can a woman live in the mud on a mountaintop for weeks and weeks without having feminine hygiene issues? As of now the Army policy says no for hygiene reasons. So we already are seeing a difference in standards.

It'll leave male soldiers in a bind, when most of their female comrades have to go on sick call with rotten snatches.
 
I hate this failed point you're delivering. Do you know my cycle and how much of a 'mess' it is? Do you know if I even have one? When is it - how heavy - how messy? Do you need details? When was the last time you **** down your leg in a watery mess? Hmm?

A lot of women have it entirely under control - for many it's never a problem. No cramps. Infections tend to come from sexual activity. Men even get infections - heavens knows guys ask for diaper wipes in their care packages and care products for pubic lice and have to take trips to get treated for the clap.

So quit with the ick-factor argument. It shows your ignorance on the issue seeing as how you boil us down to the issues of your few partners in life and the stereotypical product of a few maxi pad commercials.

Leave that concern up to the woman who has to DEAL with it - it's not your concern and not your issue so don't pretend like you're some holy fount of knowledge when you know next to nothing.
I can tell you are completely ignorant as to what I was talking about. It has nothing to do with "ick" or periods. It has to do with the current Army policy that women can NOT stay in a field environment longer than 3 days without a shower. The reason quoted is because of possible infections and hygiene issues.

That is simply not possible in many environments, and I got so god damn dirty in that country I still feel dirty 5 years later. The skin on my back is still ****ed up from wearing body armor 24/7 for 2 straight months without a shower.

It'll leave male soldiers in a bind, when most of their female comrades have to go on sick call with rotten snatches.

Platoon Leader: "Ok, we're heading out to man OPs and live in the dirt for 6 weeks. Sally and Rhonda get to stay behind so their crotches don't rot."

I wonder what that would do to a platoon's cohesion.
 
You say that now, but when the grizzley bears show up...
I hate this failed point you're delivering. Do you know my cycle and how much of a 'mess' it is? Do you know if I even have one? When is it - how heavy - how messy? Do you need details? When was the last time you **** down your leg in a watery mess? Hmm?

A lot of women have it entirely under control - for many it's never a problem. No cramps. Infections tend to come from sexual activity. Men even get infections - heavens knows guys ask for diaper wipes in their care packages and care products for pubic lice and have to take trips to get treated for the clap.

So quit with the ick-factor argument. It shows your ignorance on the issue seeing as how you boil us down to the issues of your few partners in life and the stereotypical product of a few maxi pad commercials.

Leave that concern up to the woman who has to DEAL with it - it's not your concern and not your issue so don't pretend like you're some holy fount of knowledge when you know next to nothing.

Don't have access to a toilet? You pocket your pad or tampon - and hell - you bleed down your leg if you really have to. **** - who gives a **** . . . it's not much when you add it all up and any mess can eventually be wiped or washed away at some point - everyone has to use the bathroom along the way. No different than a guy jizzing in his shorts at night or whizzing down his jeans when he's prone in the bushes for 10 hours.
 
I can tell you are completely ignorant as to what I was talking about. It has nothing to do with "ick" or periods. It has to do with the current Army policy that women can NOT stay in a field environment longer than 3 days without a shower. The reason quoted is because of possible infections and hygiene issues.

That is simply not possible in many environments, and I got so god damn dirty in that country I still feel dirty 5 years later. The skin on my back is still ****ed up from wearing body armor 24/7 for 2 straight months without a shower.

Well obviously that's going to end up changing now isn't it?
 
Well obviously that's going to end up changing now isn't it?

We'll see. I'm not a doctor so I can't tell you the exact medical reasons behind it. If it was a substantiated rule, women's bodies haven't changed. So either they're going to remove the rule, or standards will be different.

I can get along with the idea of women in combat roles, but they have to be COMPLETELY EQUAL in every single consideration. The days of women maxing their PT test with 15 pushups should be over.
 
Give me a company of PMS'ing lumberjack lesbians with their periods all synched up and I will deliver to you the world in a matter of months, My Lord.

Until they're dehabilitated with yeast infections.

"Sir! My battatlion is combat ineffective because they're all on the rag". And, yes, when women live together, their periods get in sync with each other, so it's not outrageous to expect them all to get on the rag during the same time frame.
 
Until they're dehabilitated with yeast infections.

"Sir! My battatlion is combat ineffective because they're all on the rag". And, yes, when women live together, their periods get in sync with each other, so it's not outrageous to expect them all to get on the rag during the same time frame.

"At least that is what I think they are saying--I can't quite make them out. For some reason, they all have come down with a case of carpel tunnel syndrome in their tongues, Sir. It is the damnedest thing I have ever seen. "
 
I can tell you are completely ignorant as to what I was talking about. It has nothing to do with "ick" or periods. It has to do with the current Army policy that women can NOT stay in a field environment longer than 3 days without a shower. The reason quoted is because of possible infections and hygiene issues.

And, when a female soldier is on the rag, she is required by regulations to be allowed to have a shower daily.

That is simply not possible in many environments, and I got so god damn dirty in that country I still feel dirty 5 years later. The skin on my back is still ****ed up from wearing body armor 24/7 for 2 straight months without a shower.



Platoon Leader: "Ok, we're heading out to man OPs and live in the dirt for 6 weeks. Sally and Rhonda get to stay behind so their crotches don't rot."

I wonder what that would do to a platoon's cohesion.

PL to his company commander: "The LP/OP didn't detect the eny infiltration because the two soliders manning the post were having sex, sir".
 
The Caracals have only been in one minor firefight, where one of the female soldiers was guilty of cowardice under fire.

And yet, to date, they seem to contradict your claim and support.
 
The question is: Can a woman live in the mud on a mountaintop for weeks and weeks without having feminine hygiene issues? As of now the Army policy says no for hygiene reasons. So we already are seeing a difference in standards.

men don't have hygiene issues? I'd love to see that study.
 
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