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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    After she wrote this, we sent females, carefully selecting the fittest, most ready, bad-assesst of the lieutenants out of OCS to IOC. They broke in the first few weeks.
    I responded to that already.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    You know, I think we should take a cue from Starship Troopers in this matter.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Notice the words "shortage of."

    Women have for a long time been treated differently in this country, thus trained to be a certain way. Look at athletics for example. Prior to title 9 female athletes were far inferior to what we re seeing recently. I would suspect that like with athletics, once more was expected, improvement would come. Currently it s not shocking that men would do better, in time that my change.

    However, the point us she is not even challenged. The poster merely accepts it. While we don't really know if her numbers are correct or how representative they are of all females, no questions re ask, n review of data sought, no effort to proved data. Just an opinion piece.
    Woman compete against other women. High school runners could beat Olympic women sprinters. They explicitly have separate standards for training that men and women have to pass. And I think you are ignoring that she was one of the best of the best, and she is saying "it broke me down." Do you really think someone who is one of the best of the best in all of her training and who was a star hockey player got that way because she trained to be a female?

    You're completely ignoring the biology. There is a reason why dopers use testosterone and not estrogen when they want to get a boost.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

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    Woman compete against other women. High school runners could beat Olympic women sprinters. They explicitly have separate standards for training that men and women have to pass. And I think you are ignoring that she was one of the best of the best, and she is saying "it broke me down." Do you really think someone who is one of the best of the best in all of her training and who was a star hockey player got that way because she trained to be a female?

    You're completely ignoring the biology. There is a reason why dopers use testosterone and not estrogen when they want to get a boost.
    Not ignoring it at all. I'm saying they will improve, and that they likely can do the actual job, even if they do it differently than men. The test is the job.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not ignoring it at all. I'm saying they will improve, and that they likely can do the actual job, even if they do it differently than men. The test is the job.
    Perhaps you could clarify for me, what qualifications do you have to make such a statement? Do you have any evidence to back this up? Title 9 doesn't count as evidence because I refuted that point; women are still kept separate from men for athletic purposes because of biological differences. If the army had a need for roles that women could fill, they would have roles that women can fill. They do have roles women can fill. And being in the infantry isn't one of them according to those who actual train for combat. Not without lowering the standards. So unless you can provide me with some expertise from someone in active service that says that women can do these roles, then you are essentially just sticking your head in the sand on this issue.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Perhaps you could clarify for me, what qualifications do you have to make such a statement? Do you have any evidence to back this up? Title 9 doesn't count as evidence because I refuted that point; women are still kept separate from men for athletic purposes because of biological differences. If the army had a need for roles that women could fill, they would have roles that women can fill. They do have roles women can fill. And being in the infantry isn't one of them according to those who actual train for combat. Not without lowering the standards. So unless you can provide me with some expertise from someone in active service that says that women can do these roles, then you are essentially just sticking your head in the sand on this issue.
    Whether you accepted it or not, the point is they improved. Any group so challenged will improve. I suggest that the military MAY suffer from group think and are unwilling to challenge their assumptions. I only argue before jumping off the cliff that do due diligence and rethink everything.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whether you accepted it or not, the point is they improved. Any group so challenged will improve. I suggest that the military MAY suffer from group think and are unwilling to challenge their assumptions. I only argue before jumping off the cliff that do due diligence and rethink everything.
    Improving from a 2 to a 4 means nothing when a 80 is required of you. Besides, the army isn't a place for social experiments. Square peg, round hole.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Improving from a 2 to a 4 means nothing when a 80 is required of you. Besides, the army isn't a place for social experiments. Square peg, round hole.
    I didn't say anything about a owl experiment. I said re-evaluate the tankards to make sure they properly measure what is needed to do the job.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    I have no idea why that is such a good movie, but it is great. Maybe the shower scene...?
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    You know, I think we should take a cue from Starship Troopers in this matter.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I have no idea why that is such a good movie, but it is great. Maybe the shower scene...?
    The funny part is bro, that you know as well as I do that Marines talk all kind of crap about what they would do if chicks had to shower with them and how awesome it would be. Then, when the time came for it, they would all vacate the shower with a quickness because they're all scared lol.
    Actually, I saw that happen in Baghdad right after we got there in 2003. We had the NBC Decon tents set up to get a shower and this WM comes up and asks when the female time is. The dude running the show just looks at her, laughs, and says "You know how long it's been since anyone had a shower? I'm not shutting this thing down for one Marine to shower." So, she got in line lol. Every dude in that line was like "Is she going in with us? WTF?" So, she got in the shower, stripped, and started washing. Every dude in that place exited faster than you could scream sexual harrassment, including me lol.
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