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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Woman are not capable of the same physical activities as men. Men move faster and are stronger - that is just a fact.

    Few woman are capable of performing such duties.
    So why not let those who can do those duties?

    The whole argument against letting them into those roles was primarily due to the threat levels they faced. But today's combat situation turns that upside down.
    Iraq saw truck drivers in some of the worst fighting.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    This is good news because citizens will not be as willing to send their daughters to war as they are willing to sacrifice men. Young men have little value in our culture.

    If women are to enjoy all of the rights and privileges of citizenship, then they should be required to take on all the responsibilities.

    Some women are stronger than some men. Physical abilities, not gender, should determine who is in combat.

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    At this point, with asymmetric warfare becoming the norm, everywhere is the battlefield. Makes no sense to prevent them from joining combat roles that see heavy fighting when support roles often encounter the same stuff anyways.
    The sort of fighting that occurs in a COIN environment is much different than a conventional war. Women routinely see combat as they pass by an ambush in a vehicle. My 7 year old could do that. I'm talking about locating, closing with, and destroying the enemy by fire and maneuver Private Ryan style. Someday, we will be in a conventional war again. And when we get to that point, the females will not be able to keep up. That's not sexist, it's just a fact.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    I think this speaks to the issue:

    GWEN IFILL: It sounds like you're saying this is a difference without a distinction.

    JAMES KITFIELD: Well, what I'm saying is wars have a way of sort of making some of these distinctions meaningless, because women are already in combat, quite honestly.

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/milit...bat_01-23.html

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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    If the men can't count on the women in combat like they do other men, then the women don't belong there. END OF STORY!
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Good, now lets work on the equal right to register for the Draft. And, while we are at it, women should be dieing on the battlefield at an equal rate as men. Women pushed their way into the workforce, demanding a 50% stake, many times backed by federal laws. So where are these laws when it comes to ensuring women take on the roles of firefighters, constructions workers, pavement workers, coal miners, loggers, truck drivers, garbage men... Some of the most dangerous jobs where the highest job related deaths occur are occupied by men. WHEN WILL WOMEN SHARE THE BURDEN!!! You want equality, but only when you want to have it. But you dont want to share the responsibility men have to maintain and build our countries infastructure or on the front lines protection our interests overseas. WHERE ARE YOU LADIES!!! Is this true equality when men still account for over 90% of the workplace deaths, die 7 years younger, commit suicide 6 times as much, represent 38% of college graduates. Did you know that single women that dont have kids make 117% of single men that never have kids. Did you know that women command over 70% of spending. Did you know that Women have 150% more net worth than men on average.

    Equal rights!!! Get serious. Equal rights is taking a slice of not just the good but the bad also. Taking on only the work you want to take on, and forcing employers to hire you in respect of gender equality is not equal rights, its entitlement. STEP IN LINE LADIES!!!! You have a lot to do before you are truely EQUAL to men.

    Pick up that 70+LB pack, grab that gun and face the enemy like we have been doing and dieing while doing it for over 400 years. Go demand that job at the construction site, coal mine, sanitation office, logging office...ect..ect.. demand your 50% of job related deaths!!!
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think this speaks to the issue:

    GWEN IFILL: It sounds like you're saying this is a difference without a distinction.

    JAMES KITFIELD: Well, what I'm saying is wars have a way of sort of making some of these distinctions meaningless, because women are already in combat, quite honestly.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta Lifts Armed Services Ban on Women in Combat | PBS NewsHour | Jan. 23, 2013 | PBS
    The "women are in combat already" fallacy has to stop. Women are not outside the wire actively seeking out the enemy. EVER. What they are doing is convoys and occassional local patrols with infantry squads for the purpose of exploiting women for intelligence. These patrols are typically accompanied by higher ranking members of the unit, intel guys, terps, etc and are not there for the purpose of engaging the enemy. By occassional I mean maybe once a week, if that. As far as convoys, they don't see combat as most think of it. What they see is their 50 vehicle logistics convoy take some pot shots, an IED, maybe an RPG. They sit inside the truck (just like everyone else in the convoy), hope none of it hits them (just like everyone else in the convoy), then continue on once the attack stops. Sure, there is the occassional instance where a woman engages the enemy, but it is rare. For all of the combat these women are supposedely in, where are the valorous awards? There has been one female since the WOT began that received one (silver star). And guess what? She was a medic on a convoy. Look, I'm not downplaying what this woman did or any other woman. They have served honorably. But they are not out actively seeking the enemy and going out on patrol everyday like a grunt is. They are not playing grunt and simply not receiving the credit for it. That is false and something that many, not saying you specifically Boo, are touting as the reason for this lift.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The "women are in combat already" fallacy has to stop. Women are not outside the wire actively seeking out the enemy. EVER. What they are doing is convoys and occassional local patrols with infantry squads for the purpose of exploiting women for intelligence. These patrols are typically accompanied by higher ranking members of the unit, intel guys, terps, etc and are not there for the purpose of engaging the enemy. By occassional I mean maybe once a week, if that. As far as convoys, they don't see combat as most think of it. What they see is their 50 vehicle logistics convoy take some pot shots, an IED, maybe an RPG. They sit inside the truck, hope none of it hits them, then continue on once the attack stops. Sure, there is the occassional instance where a woman engages the enemy, but it is rare. For all of the combat these women are supposedely in, where are the valorous awards? There has been one female since the WOT began that received one (silver star). And guess what? She was a medic on a convoy. Look, I'm not downplaying what this woman did or any other woman. They have served honorably. But they are not out actively seeking the enemy and going out on patrol everyday like a grunt is. They are not playing grunt and simply not receiving the credit for it. That is false and something that many, not saying you specifically Boo, are touting as the reason for this lift.
    I have to laugh at that assertion as well. If women are in combat roles, why are men still making up the VAST majority of combat related deaths? It is a falicy and a flat out lie to say that women are in combat roles already as if they are routinely on the ground with the men and dieing along with them.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Does this mean our mothers and daughters can be drafted into a combat role? I respectfully decline this option.
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    Re: Pentagon to overturn ban on women in military combat roles

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I agree. No women graduated my jump school (~6 fell out on Friday runs). And the pushups gotta be proper, center of gravity is a big tough crap so I guess they'll need to be stronger than the men, relatively, which women should be used to by now .
    Explain - center of gravity affects pushups? (genuine curiosity here). I remember the 'pick up the chair' thing when I was in school which was funny but I never quite got how it actually affected much else.
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