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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

    Nah, no problem for Hillary. She delayed this long enough for the public's ire and attention to fade. Now she can play the grieving party and standup SOS. By the 2016 election she'll be the hero of Benghazi.

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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...5e7_story.html

    “We now face a spreading jihadist threat,” Clinton said. Many al-Qaeda operatives have been driven out of Afghanistan and Pakistan, she said. But she added: “We have to recognize this is a global movement.” U.S. forces can kill its leaders, but until democracy grows in the region, “we’re going to be faced with this level of instability,” she said.
    This is a VERY significant admission. Why? Because this was Bush's foreign policy premise from the started, and everyone on the left repudiated it, and called it nation building! Bush said this was the ultimate way to change the ME, because killing the terrorists alone wouldn't work.
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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

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    Clinton appears before Congress over Benghazi attack - The Washington Post


    This is a VERY significant admission. Why? Because this was Bush's foreign policy premise from the started, and everyone on the left repudiated it, and called it nation building! Bush said this was the ultimate way to change the ME, because killing the terrorists alone wouldn't work.
    Not exactly. Bush wanted forced democracy which largely had unintended consequences. A more peaceful, or at least organic growth would better. Still painful, still not a certainty to bring what is best for us, but better.

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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

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    Clinton appears before Congress over Benghazi attack - The Washington Post


    This is a VERY significant admission. Why? Because this was Bush's foreign policy premise from the started, and everyone on the left repudiated it, and called it nation building! Bush said this was the ultimate way to change the ME, because killing the terrorists alone wouldn't work.
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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not exactly. Bush wanted forced democracy which largely had unintended consequences. A more peaceful, or at least organic growth would better. Still painful, still not a certainty to bring what is best for us, but better.
    So you know the intimate details of Hillary's "democracy" from her testimony enough to be able to say "Not exactly"? There is not Obama policy on democracy in the ME that has been made public. There has been no effort on the part of the Obama Admin to facilitate democracy in the ME, unless you want to give them credit for the Arab Spring which is really a fallout of the efforts over the last ten years.
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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So you know the intimate details of Hillary's "democracy" from her testimony enough to be able to say "Not exactly"? There is not Obama policy on democracy in the ME that has been made public. There has been no effort on the part of the Obama Admin to facilitate democracy in the ME, unless you want to give them credit for the Arab Spring which is really a fallout of the efforts over the last ten years.
    By facilitate, do you mean invade? And both sides do a lot of inaccurately taking credit for events they have nothing to do with. There were moves toward democracy long before Bush, and some have rightly argued he hindered them. But the point is, this is best left to them, and facilitating should be mostly though partnerships and aid, and not invading.

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    So you know the intimate details of Hillary's "democracy" from her testimony enough to be able to say "Not exactly"? There is not Obama policy on democracy in the ME that has been made public. There has been no effort on the part of the Obama Admin to facilitate democracy in the ME, unless you want to give them credit for the Arab Spring which is really a fallout of the efforts over the last ten years.
    Weren't you guys the ones bitching because democracy means they elect Islamic governments by choice, and that is simply unacceptable to the neocon fascism that prompted Bush to attack iraq for absolutely no other cause than to attempt to install a puppet government only he approved of? you guys have a really odd version of democracy. The bush foreign policy on democracy has been almost a complete failure wasting american lives just to see what they consider radical elements take control of countries because american republican values are non-existent and therefor won't win any votes in these countries. Democracy in countries with heavy Islamic populations will mean things like islamic leadership, less support and even danger for isreal, and the most evil of evils to neo-con fascists Sharia Law. The very idea that republicans think that the christian value system they sought to install in those countries would survive an open vote was pure folly and created by the same ignorance that linked iraq with the 9/11 attacks in the first place. however, that is what you get when you follow your own propaganda and lies and ignore the truth of the situation in the middle east.

    it would seem from the testimony that hillary has a much better understanding of the volatile nature of the area than Bush or any republican presently. She was absolutely right that any american present in those areas trying to operate american diplomatic values faces an assumed risk, and safety in an environment in turmoil where the weapons of the old government have been taken by elements hostile to america is a completely idiotic ideal that cannot possibly bve accomplished, especially when republicans are now clamming up on financial support because they don't want obama to accomplish anything. The pure selfishness of congressional republicans in their attempts to hamper anyu effort obama makes in the area by defunding and blaming him for instability created by the societies of the area and GWB has cost american lives, sapped our strength on foreign fronts, and undermined american values all because they throw a spoiled tantrum every time the black president tries something they supported when Bush was in charge.

    but we would not want the truth to spoil imaginary republicanland. People complain at me for watching a show about imaginary ponies, but it is often more real than the delusions created by republicans and their media to excuse their attacks on america and destabilization of our strength because they simply cannot stand Obama as president. The people who should be called to answer tough questions are the people who are asking the questions. mccain should have to answer why he has pulled a complete 180 on the wars he supported and the attempts to install american leaders he wanted to do way back when he was running for president. rand paul should answer why he is such a racist dick that he would endanger american lives to simply oppose a black president. But we would not want to actually ask republicans why they have abandoned the democracy that was so important a decade ago that we ran up trillions in debt to accomplish it, killed thousands of americans fighting for it, and completely abandoned when the other party came into power and happened to have dark skin.

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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

    By turns emotional and fierce, Clinton choked up as she spoke of comforting the victims' families and grew angry when a Republican senator accused the Obama administration of misleading the country over whether the Benghazi incident stemmed from a protest.



    "With all due respect, the fact is that we had four dead Americans," Clinton shot back as she testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, an appearance delayed more than a month because of her ill health.

    "Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make?" she said, making chopping motions with her hands for emphasis.

    Republicans harshly criticized her, and President Barack Obama's administration more generally, with one saying the Benghazi attack and the U.S. response displayed "woeful unpreparedness" for the events sweeping the region and another saying Clinton should have been fired.

    Clinton at one point said that she had not seen requests from U.S. officials in Libya seeking additional security.

    "Had I been president at the time and I found that you did not read the cables ... I would have relieved you of your post. I think it's inexcusable," Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky told Clinton.

    "It's wonderful to see you in good health and as combative as ever," Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, told Clinton, who responded by laughing. He then went on to say that he categorically rejected one of her answers and found others unsatisfactory.....snip~

    Clinton angrily defends handling of Benghazi attack - Yahoo! News

    "Oh".....this is what ya must have been talking about.

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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

    Dog and pony show.

    Did anyone really believe any of this will stick to Hillary? Especially after Bill Clinton's ringing endorsement effectively sewed up the election for Obama? Those kinds of favors have a price tag. Expunging Hillary's record in the matter and getting it all nice and shiny for 2016 sounds like a fair exchange...
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    Re: Clinton To Face Congress on Libya Assault.....

    What difference does it make? The administration continued to lie to the public about what caused the death of 4 Americans. That's the difference Madam Secretary.

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