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Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

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Fisher said:
After surfing this a bit, you are correct--there is no official database that tracks these things. In various articles, the stat that about 1 person a day is shot and killed by the police did appear in multiple sources, but that appears to have been gleaned from a study that covered a period of years in the 80's-early 90's. I suspect it is higher. I did find one study that indicated there were on average .9/1000 officers involved in a fatal shooting in the mid 90's and .2/1000 involved in a non-fatal shooting, but that was as close as I could get.
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I've seen the stat that there are 4-5 hundred "justifiable" police killings a year. Interesting though, yes? They'll compile the list of homicides by civilians and post that as much as possible; but refuse to do so for government agents. I think both would be useful.
 
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Grant said:
It reads like farce of the worst kind. If this ongoing, and tragic, story was submitted for a possible book it would be rejected as being too far from any possibility reality.

But there it is.Chicago Homicides Outnumber U.S. Troop Killings In Afghanistan
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I remember one night my car broke down right next to the Robert Taylor homes, they had a gang war that night and I actually had to hide in my car because they were fighting with some serious weaponry. When I saw the sparks coming off the fence and hearing what was going on I knew it was time to hide - it was insane. They were going at it and I was right in the middle of it. You couldn't tell the difference between trains passing and machine gun fire. It went on for a good 45 minutes and scared the hell out of me.
 
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Ikari said:
I've seen the stat that there are 4-5 hundred "justifiable" police killings a year. Interesting though, yes? They'll compile the list of homicides by civilians and post that as much as possible; but refuse to do so for government agents. I think both would be useful.
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Yes, especially since the 1 a day is short of your other stat which is probably more current. My guess is that 99.9% of them are "justifiable" so that would definitely show the trend is growing. This is going to annoy me. I'll do some further digging. I am sure there is a number out there somewhere--it is just going to require some creative culling of DOJ docs.
 
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Ikari said:
On the fact that cops kill people.
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You make no distinction between criminals and innocent civilians killed?
 
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Catawba said:
You make no distinction between criminals and innocent civilians killed?
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Do you make such distinctions for civilians?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I remember one night my car broke down right next to the Robert Taylor homes, they had a gang war that night and I actually had to hide in my car because they were fighting with some serious weaponry. When I saw the sparks coming off the fence and hearing what was going on I knew it was time to hide - it was insane. They were going at it and I was right in the middle of it. You couldn't tell the difference between trains passing and machine gun fire. It went on for a good 45 minutes and scared the hell out of me.
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Note to myself: ban guns. The days of the rootin' tootin' west are over.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Note to myself: ban guns. The days of the rootin' tootin' west are over.
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Do you understand that those black gang bangers he was talking about are in an area where guns are BANNED, machine guns especially.
 
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Ikari said:
Do you make such distinctions for civilians?
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Yes, when criminals/crazies threaten the life of a police officer.
 
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Catawba said:
Don't get carried away, you have not disproven that guns are more often used by US soldiers for suicide.
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What we have proven is that people that are intent on committing the act, will. Your fixation on one item as if you somehow have a 'point' is both fascinating...and comical!
 
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Catawba said:
Yes, when criminals/crazies threaten the life of a police officer.
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...so then no, you don't.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Note to myself: ban guns. The days of the rootin' tootin' west are over.
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They obviously weren't legal gun owners...

You could ban guns all day and these idiots would still have them. Hell, drugs are banned and that is probably why they were fighting in the first place.

You really don't get it do you?
 
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Ikari said:
...so then no, you don't.
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That doesn't make any sense. Explain what you mean.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
As I pointed out, if he had known there was a law enforcement officer near by, he would be highly unlikely to pull a weapon.
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IOW, you have no evidence; just speculation



LMAO...your struggling here.
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That;s what people always say when they're losing



And here we go back to the causation = correlation. By the fact that most mass shootings happen in gun free zones and not areas where you would expect guns (like police stations) tells us there is a highly probable correlation.
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Just because you says so, doesn't make it true. So far, there is zero evidence for this in this shooting (and the mass shootings), but that doesn't stop the dishonest from insisting that ot's true





I'm not writing a legal document. You know we are talking about mass shootings.
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I'm flattered that you think I cab read your mind, and I understand how desperate the "guns are good" crowd are to link GFZs to all shootings, but in a thread devoted to a non-mass shooting, there's no ewason to assume that a reference to shootings refers only to mass shootings.
 
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Ikari said:
I've seen the stat that there are 4-5 hundred "justifiable" police killings a year. Interesting though, yes? They'll compile the list of homicides by civilians and post that as much as possible; but refuse to do so for government agents. I think both would be useful.
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hardly a study but this is the best I can find right now: "Statistics indicate that about six hundred criminals are killed each year by police officers in the United States. Some of these killings are in self-defense, some are accidental, and others are done to prevent harm to citizens. By comparison, about 135 officers are killed in the line of duty each year. When you consider their ratios in the general population, proportionately far more cops are killed by civilians each year than the other way around. In most cases, an officer’s taking a life occurs in the context of trying to save a life. "

Shots Fired! A special PoliceOne series

(2nd paragraph of the answer to the question)
 
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Catawba said:
That doesn't make any sense. Explain what you mean.
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Does it actually need to be explained? I would think any functioning adult would be able to figure it out.

Catawba said:
You make no distinction between criminals and innocent civilians killed?
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Ikari said:
Do you make such distinctions for civilians?
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Catawba said:
Yes, when criminals/crazies threaten the life of a police officer.
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Police officers are not civilians. They are government agents. You wanted me to distiguish between "criminal" and civilian, and I asked if you held the same standard. But you don't. You do not defend the civilian, but the State...the Authority. You will excuse cops if crazies threaten them; but what if the Cops are the crazies? Would you excuse the civilian defending himself against the cop? What if it's civilian vs. crazy? Do you support the civilian being able to take similar action against crazy? Or is it just the authority. Government may do as it pleases, but the individual not at all; that must be regulated and controlled.

It didn't need to be explained, there are dogs who could understand the conclusion. You do not make the same distinction for civilians, by your own words.
 
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Ikari said:
Limited? When was the last time you did something without government involvement? There are certainly dangers associated with freedom, but as freedom is inherently dangerous there's nothing much one can do about it. Live free or live enslaved; those are your choices. Both have dangers.
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I do quite a bit. ignore a lot as well. But, we're being very specific here. And I don't agree with your choices. There is a spectrum, not to mention shades of gray.
 
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Grant said:
That's quite possible.

The hypocrisy of Hollywood and its contribution to gun violence has been well documented.
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Not sure I look at it quite that way. But they likely contribute to the problems more than they help. But they are not alone.
 
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Ikari said:
Does it actually need to be explained? I would think any functioning adult would be able to figure it out.







Police officers are not civilians. They are government agents. You wanted me to distiguish between "criminal" and civilian, and I asked if you held the same standard. But you don't. You do not defend the civilian, but the State...the Authority. You will excuse cops if crazies threaten them; but what if the Cops are the crazies? Would you excuse the civilian defending himself against the cop? What if it's civilian vs. crazy? Do you support the civilian being able to take similar action against crazy? Or is it just the authority. Government may do as it pleases, but the individual not at all; that must be regulated and controlled.

It didn't need to be explained, there are dogs who could understand the conclusion. You do not make the same distinction for civilians, by your own words.
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for the purposes of the second amendment and the Posse Comitatus act cops and other civilians are just that-civilians
 
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Ikari said:
Does it actually need to be explained? I would think any functioning adult would be able to figure it out.
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So much for mutual respect I see. Very well, if that is the way you wish to play, carry on...... and I will respond accordingly.

Police officers are not civilians. They are government agents.
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Sworn to protect the peace.


You wanted me to distiguish between "criminal" and civilian, and I asked if you held the same standard. But you don't.
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Yeah, I have this hangup with guilty and innocent. I apply different standards to them.

You do not defend the civilian, but the State...the Authority.
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They are our representatives/employees, that we pay to provide a service.


You will excuse cops if crazies threaten them; but what if the Cops are the crazies?
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Then I would not defend them.


Would you excuse the civilian defending himself against the cop?
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In what circumstances?


What if it's civilian vs. crazy? Do you support the civilian being able to take similar action against crazy? Or is it just the authority.
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I choose the people we hire and train to handle the crazies.

Government may do as it pleases, but the individual not at all; that must be regulated and controlled.
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The government is our representative, and is bound to operate at our will, or we fire them and hire new representatives.


It didn't need to be explained, there are dogs who could understand the conclusion. You do not make the same distinction for civilians, by your own words.
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The garbage you posted still needs to be explained.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Note to myself: ban guns. The days of the rootin' tootin' west are over.
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The wild-west wasn't as wild as you think:
Dispelling the myth of 'The Wild West' - Minneapolis gun rights | Examiner.com

In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:


  • [*]In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
    [*]In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.


Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

  • DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
  • New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
  • Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
  • Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
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You know, it is actually possible to discuss this news event without resorting to lies. Please try it.
 
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I can't believe there's not a wiki on Carlton Berry yet.

I've read reports that he has a misdemeanor charge for pot a few years ago and may have gang ties, but is not in a gang himself, but nothing solid yet.
 
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sangha said:
IOW, you have no evidence; just speculation
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LOL...no, it is a simple analysis of human behavior.





That;s what people always say when they're losing
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Or they are responding to a post that is so poorly worded that they can't make heads and tails of it.


Just because you says so, doesn't make it true. So far, there is zero evidence for this in this shooting (and the mass shootings), but that doesn't stop the dishonest from insisting that ot's true
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Ok, prove it wrong. Show us the mass shooting in a police station or at a NRA meeting.




I'm flattered that you think I cab read your mind, and I understand how desperate the "guns are good" crowd are to link GFZs to all shootings, but in a thread devoted to a non-mass shooting, there's no ewason to assume that a reference to shootings refers only to mass shootings.
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Right. Just stick with your nuance argument while the rest of the world moves on with common sense and helpful policies.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
LOL...no, it is a simple analysis of human behavior.
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Not simple - simple minded


Or they are responding to a post that is so poorly worded that they can't make heads and tails of it.
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No, that's what they say when they're losing


Ok, prove it wrong. Show us the mass shooting in a police station or at a NRA meeting.
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I don't have to prove you wrong. All I have to do is point to your complete inability to support your own claim.

Right. Just stick with your nuance argument while the rest of the world moves on with common sense and helpful policies.
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Right, keep thinking that the majority agrees with you (which is just another instance of you making a claim you can't support)
 
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Boo Radley said:
Not sure I look at it quite that way. But they likely contribute to the problems more than they help. But they are not alone.
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Then who were you referring to when you said "a country fully in love with guns might have a cultural failure". Granted that there is a lot of glorified violence on videos and TV but much of that is certainly inspired by, or made by, Hollywood.
 
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