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Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

From the Houston Local news that is exactly what happened.
One Shooter, One Gun. Bad guy,(Student status unknown) approaches student, argues with him,
pull out a gun and shoots him 3 times out of 5 to 7 shots.
1 stray hits a maintenance man.
Bad guy goes to put his gun back in his waste band, and shoots himself in leg.
The arrest him at the hospital, where he went for a gunshot wound.
Shooter identified in Lone Star College campus shooting | khou.com Houston

Thank you for the report. This things seems to be changing every few hours. Glad we finally got it straight.
 
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How are most suicides carried out in the military?
How are they carried out in Japan...a country with no access to firearms and a suicide rate 5tines greater than the US?
 
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Yep, it was a "gangsta" with a long history of criminal behavior...

Imagine that.
 
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We have heard a ton about the problem with gun free zones from the right. And its always the same message: bad guys pick schools because they no its a gun free zone and its like shooting fish in a barrel and they can't shoot back. If there were only good guys there packing heat then they would be shot down in seconds and many lives would have been saved.

So what the hell does that have to do with what happened in Texas yesterday? Tell me. Who was the bad guy who came hunting and who could have been saved by more people whipping out the bad news and opening fire?

The Texas shootings had nothing in common with Newtown and the mention of a gun free zone was absurd and totally out of place. These were two guys who had a beef with each other and decided to use guns to solve it. In the crossfire, an innocent person was hit and a second had a heart attack.
Your post was fine. Valid points and grounded in reality. Right up until this point....

The gun free zone had nothing to do with this and the only mention of it was a knee jerk automatic response by the right because that is their latest cause celebre in the desire to get even more guns in America and get them on the streets as part of a political and ideological agenda.

...and then you lost control and revealed yourself.

"Get even more guns on the streets as part of a political agenda"??? I guess blind partisans like yourself just can't avoid that "WTF???" moment that renders any prior logical dialog moot, can they...:doh

Typical.
 
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Yep, it was a "gangsta" with a long history of criminal behavior...

Imagine that.
I would live to see a source on this. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I can't repeat it until I know it's true.
 
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Exactly. There's no reason to run around shooting recklessly like gangsters and cops. Learn to properly use your firearm.

Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?
 
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Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?
The problem wasn't training.

The problem was the "New York Trigger". I know low-information voters who use "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably and believe that "assault weapons" are real things just like Santa and the Easter bunny, can't be bothered to know how trigger-pull plays into accuracy, but it matters...a ton.

Those NY cops were using a gun with a 13lb trigger pull. This forces the finger to 'muscle' the trigger, which pulls the gun off-target. Most hand guns have a factory 3-5lb trigger pull, and most civilians dial that down to 2lbs or lower for accuracy, but NY cops have to have a gun with a custom 13lb pull. That means the cop has to essentially pick up a 13lb hand weight with one finger in order to fire the gun.

A barely practiced civilian with a 2lb trigger will be more accurate than a well trained cop with a 13lb trigger.
 
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The problem wasn't training.

The problem was the "New York Trigger". I know low-information voters who use "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably and believe that "assault weapons" are real things just like Santa and the Easter bunny, can't be bothered to know how trigger-pull plays into accuracy, but it matters...a ton.

Those NY cops were using a gun with a 13lb trigger pull. This forces the finger to 'muscle' the trigger, which pulls the gun off-target. Most hand guns have a factory 3-5lb trigger pull, and most civilians dial that down to 2lbs or lower for accuracy, but nY cops have to have a gun with a 13lb pull.

A barely practiced civilian with a 2lb trigger will be more accurate than a well trained cop with a 13lb trigger.

Interesting argument, and you may have a point. And it may also be that this is largely difficult to do. More than one police officer has related how people shooting at other people often goes array. And I suspect the less training one has, the less practice, the less familiarity, the less likely one is to hit the right target.
 
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Interesting argument, and you may have a point. And it may also be that this is largely difficult to do. More than one police officer has related how people shooting at other people often goes array. And I suspect the less training one has, the less practice, the less familiarity, the less likely one is to hit the right target.
What angers me about that NY cop story is that these cops are well trained, and had they used a 2-5lb trigger they very likely would have hit/killed the perp with few if any injuries to bystanders. It's possible a couple rounds would have still missed and injured someone, but not nearly as many.

The NY trigger was instituted after cops kept shooting themselves in the foot while re-holstering their gun. They hit the trigger of the gun while fumbling with the issued retention-level-3 holster they're required to use. Rather than look at different holsters, the NYPD opted for the heavier custom trigger. Big mistake.
 
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Exactly. There's no reason to run around shooting recklessly like gangsters and cops. Learn to properly use your firearm.

It was trained police officers that shot 9 bystanders. The guy with a concealed weapon at the Arizona shooting almost shot the hero because he thought he was the shooter!
 
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What angers me about that NY cop story is that these cops are well trained, and had they used a 2-5lb trigger they very likely would have hit/killed the perp with few if any injuries to bystanders. It's possible a couple rounds would have still missed and injured someone, but not nearly as many.

That may be true, but even you admit some may have gone array. Now, consider lesser trained people shooting.
 
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How are they carried out in Japan...a country with no access to firearms and a suicide rate 5tines greater than the US?

No doubt there are other factors at play as well.
 
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That may be true, but even you admit some may have gone array. Now, consider lesser trained people shooting.

Just read in the Dallas Morning News one of the guys involved in this shoot out accidentally shot himself in the hip.
 
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Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?

That is the down side of ANY and ALL of our Constitutional rights, they are given to all at birth (or at least citizens upon attaining adult age). Once you assert that "training" or "qualification" may be added to get them then one may ask why allow voting by morons? Much more harm, to our rights and freedom, can be done by passing restrictive laws and ceding ever more control/power to the gov't by voting for (and by) morons, than can be done by any single individual with a gun. Many elections are decided by less than 5% of the voters. Calls for adding the requirement of a simply presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID to vote are often rejected, much less adding any tests of voter competency, e.g. naming the current US representatives, two Senators and one House representative. Those that are very quick to demand "strict qualification tests" for getting one's 2A rights seem to be the very same folks that would deny any "reasonable restriction" being paced on the right to vote. I will take your "public safety" concerns seriously when you pass and enforce laws to permanently lock up all repeat felony offenders (and the criminally insane) and require only citizens with valid, state issued, photo IDs showing current residency be allowed to vote (only once and only as themselves) in a given election.
 
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Why is this on this forum? One pistol used between a couple people. One injured by misdirected round. This happens on the streets and homes every day. WTF?! Someone trying to make this an assasination incident? Crawl back under your blankets.
 
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This story must be false. He didn't have an AR15 or high capacity firearm. Only those can be used in shootings.
 
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That may be true, but even you admit some may have gone array. Now, consider lesser trained people shooting.
I already did. A lesser trained person with a 2-5lb trigger is more accurate than a well trained cop with a 13lb trigger.

The New York Trigger negates any training the cop received than a relatively low trained civilian. Trigger pull makes that big of a difference.
 
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Your post was fine. Valid points and grounded in reality. Right up until this point....



...and then you lost control and revealed yourself.

"Get even more guns on the streets as part of a political agenda"??? I guess blind partisans like yourself just can't avoid that "WTF???" moment that renders any prior logical dialog moot, can they...:doh

Typical.

What exactly did I say that was factually untrue? Is it not the intent and goal of many gun groups to expand gun ownership and put more guns in the hands of people? Is it not a fact that gun politics goes hand in hand with much of conservative politics and one works with the other as evidenced by the NRA's own delcared political contributions?

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082
 
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What exactly did I say that was factually untrue? Is it not the intent and goal of many gun groups to expand gun ownership and put more guns in the hands of people? Is it not a fact that gun politics goes hand in hand with much of conservative politics and one works with the other as evidenced by the NRA's own delcared political contributions?

National Rifle Assn: Summary | OpenSecrets
You said that the goal was to "get more guns on the streets". That statement is a gross misrepresentation of the entire concept of legal gun ownership.

But then again, I'm not telling you anything here that you don't already know...
 
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It was trained police officers that shot 9 bystanders. The guy with a concealed weapon at the Arizona shooting almost shot the hero because he thought he was the shooter!

Cops are about as proficient as gangbangers with firearms and expelled 3 times the ammo. The average citizen should handle their firearms more intelligently than our police.
 
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Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?

They continually show reckless display. I wouldn't base decisions on civilian access to firearms off an aggressive, apathetic towards public safety, authoritarian branch of the government.
 
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From your post





Oh, so you saw a security tape that showed that the shooter did scan the area and did know where everyone was and whether or not they were a LEO?

As I pointed out, if he had known there was a law enforcement officer near by, he would be highly unlikely to pull a weapon.

Actually, not all health studies are based on correlation, and the ones that do are not considered to have shown causation. They merely give medical researchers an indication for further research

LMAO...your struggling here.

And you said "shooting", not "mass shooting". If you're going to limit this to mass shootings, then you'll have to provide evidence that the mass shooters took the fact that the place was a GFZ into consideration. Since there is no such evidence, and more evidence that other factors were what determined the locations, you will lose the gun fanatics argument concerning how GFZ's are targetted by mass shooters.

And here we go back to the causation = correlation. By the fact that most mass shootings happen in gun free zones and not areas where you would expect guns (like police stations) tells us there is a highly probable correlation.
you said shootings

I'm not writing a legal document. You know we are talking about mass shootings.
 
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You said that the goal was to "get more guns on the streets". That statement is a gross misrepresentation of the entire concept of legal gun ownership.

But then again, I'm not telling you anything here that you don't already know...

We have a difference of opinion about that then. I clearly see as one goal of gun groups to enlarge the population of gun owners so that it empowers them and their agenda. In fact, the statements of Wayne La Pierre of the NRA have confirmed this.

Others in the gun culture have made it very clear that they want more guns and more people to carry guns.

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

If you require more proof, I can provide statements from folks expressing much the same thing as Mr. Lott.
 
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Sure they would -

NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police

"Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters today that cops inadvertently wounded nine people yesterday."

NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police: Gothamist

If you had actually read the article you would know the people were not shot buy stray bullets. They got hit by fragments that ricocheted during the shooting.
 
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