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Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

This is being reported now:

HOUSTON — A dispute between two men at a community college in the wooded northern outskirts of Houston led to a shooting on Tuesday that left four people hospitalized and touched off fears that the campus was the site of another mass shooting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/us/shooting-reported-at-college-in-houston.html?_r=0

That is also what was being reported on Dallas radio today as well.

OK so two men brought guns into a gun free zone. So what they were doing was illegal right off the bat then.

It does not however change the fact his evaluation is hyperbole.

Thanks for the update, I did not know.
 
Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

This is being reported now:

HOUSTON — A dispute between two men at a community college in the wooded northern outskirts of Houston led to a shooting on Tuesday that left four people hospitalized and touched off fears that the campus was the site of another mass shooting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/us/shooting-reported-at-college-in-houston.html?_r=0

That is also what was being reported on Dallas radio today as well.

Thanks for the local update Winston!

From your link,

"authorities said, the shooting, at Lone Star College’s North Harris campus, centered on an argument between two men, at least one of whom may have been a student or former student. Three people appeared to have been wounded by gunfire, including a maintenance worker who was shot in the leg. A fourth person, who was not shot, was taken to a hospital with medical problems."
 
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Right, the guys in the military don't shoot their guns, they are just for parades! And what is the suicide rate for soldiers?

The suicide rate has nothing to do with guns. It has to do more with the stress of military life, combat etc. Nice try though.

The guys in the military most certainly do shoot their guns. Where have you been hiding, lol. A little war in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. Not to mention training etc.
 
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Actually, from what I've been able to glean so far, it seems to have been a personal dispute between 2 students who were both armed and a couple of people got caught in the crossfire.

This is an "excellent" reason for everyone on campus to have a gun. :lol:

The more guns out there, the more injuries and deaths. Folks, despite what the gun nuts want, we are no longer the wild, wild west where everyone carried a gun of some kind. Gosh, seems like someday we will be like Afghanistan or Iraq where everyone one carries an assault weapon. The NRA and gun industry would have a dream day= more profits. Who the hell cares about more deaths and injuries just as long as their "freedom" is not violated?
Things are spiraling out of control and it is up the the President and other responsible individuals to step in and say enough is enough. More guns are not the answer and that is the bottom line.
 
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One of the 3 injured....is the aggressor....he shot himself in the ass.
 
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Right, the guys in the military don't shoot their guns, they are just for parades! And what is the suicide rate for soldiers?
WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE? A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE
Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy

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Guns are just one among numerous available deadly instruments. Thus, banning guns cannot reduce the amount of suicides. Such measures only reduce the number of suicides by firearms. Suicides committed in other ways increase to make up the difference. People do not commit suicide because they have guns available. They kill themselves for reasons they deem sufficient, and in the absence of firearms they just kill themselves in some other way.
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Folks, despite what the gun nuts want, we are no longer the wild, wild west where everyone carried a gun of some kind.
The wild-west wasn't as wild as you think:
Dispelling the myth of 'The Wild West' - Minneapolis gun rights | Examiner.com

In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:


  • [*]In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
    [*]In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.


Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

  • DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
  • New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
  • Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
  • Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
 
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This is an "excellent" reason for everyone on campus to have a gun. :lol:

The more guns out there, the more injuries and deaths. Folks, despite what the gun nuts want, we are no longer the wild, wild west where everyone carried a gun of some kind. Gosh, seems like someday we will be like Afghanistan or Iraq where everyone one carries an assault weapon. The NRA and gun industry would have a dream day= more profits. Who the hell cares about more deaths and injuries just as long as their "freedom" is not violated?
Things are spiraling out of control and it is up the the President and other responsible individuals to step in and say enough is enough. More guns are not the answer and that is the bottom line.

Why is it that y'all simply disregard the possibility that some idiots are just plain prone to violence?

I know that the anti gunners don't believe that any of these laws are going to be successful in getting guns off the street because they still like the idea of cops having them. Why, if you can't manage to create a safe environment simply by passing laws do you expect me or anybody else to give up our right to defend ourselves on equal terms with the aggressors that you KNOW are out there?

I swear, if I ever end up in a shooting situation I'm going to grab the closest gun grabber to me and use them for a meat shield while I quickly google up the appropriate law to get the shooter to stop.
 
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The suicide rate has nothing to do with guns. It has to do more with the stress of military life, combat etc. Nice try though.

The guys in the military most certainly do shoot their guns. Where have you been hiding, lol. A little war in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. Not to mention training etc.

How are most suicides carried out in the military?
 
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How are most suicides carried out in the military?

Access to a weapon has nothing to do with someone committing suicide. I mean you can step out onto the road and get hit by a tank. Ease has little to do with anything. So I suppose we should ban rope so people cannot hang themselves?:roll:
 
Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

Let's look at males and guns now:

"The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home"
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study

Suicide is not illegal so it is irrelevant. We own our own body's, not the government. It is not the government's job to protect us from ourselves.
 
Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

Let's look at males and guns now:

"The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home"
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
It means when someone has decided to kill themselves, if there's a gun in the home then they do it at home with the gun; but if there's no gun in the home then they have to leave the home to, say, step in front of train or jump off a bridge.

Nice try though.

This thread isn't about suicide, this thread isn't about the military, and even if it were you're wrong anyway.
 
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Suicide is not illegal so it is irrelevant. We own our own body's, not the government. It is not the government's job to protect us from ourselves.

I see now that you are proven wrong its irrelevant? Increased suicides may be irrelevant to you, but they are still more of them when guns are around.
 
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How are most suicides carried out in the military?

In the few years that it was my job to clean up those messes I'd have to say drugs and hanging were the preferred methods. We had a couple of shootings but pretty much every weekend we had someone try to hang themselves, slice themselves or OD themselves. In fact, if my memory serves, it was 2 shootings (one successful) and dozens of "other".
 
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It means when someone has decided to kill themselves, if there's a gun in the home then they do it at home with the gun; but if there's no gun in the home then they have to leave the home to, say, step in front of train or jump off a bridge.


Let's see the study that says that!
 
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In the few years that it was my job to clean up those messes I'd have to say drugs and hanging were the preferred methods. We had a couple of shootings but pretty much every weekend we had someone try to hang themselves, slice themselves or OD themselves. In fact, if my memory serves, it was 2 shootings (one successful) and dozens of "other".


Thanks for your personal opinion!
 
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Let's see the study that says that!
WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE? A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE
Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy

View attachment 67129742

Guns are just one among numerous available deadly instruments. Thus, banning guns cannot reduce the amount of suicides. Such measures only reduce the number of suicides by firearms. Suicides committed in other ways increase to make up the difference. People do not commit suicide because they have guns available. They kill themselves for reasons they deem sufficient, and in the absence of firearms they just kill themselves in some other way.
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There was no suicide in the LoneStar shooting, so this concludes this tangent.
 
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I see now that you are proven wrong its irrelevant?

It was irrelevant from the beginning, you brought it up not me. Your stat has nothing to do with suicide in the military so you did not prove **** to me.

Increased suicides may be irrelevant to you, but they are still more of them when guns are around.

The are irrelevant because they are legal. You no longer go to jail for attempted suicide. They can only observe you for a limited amount of days if any and release you. So yes it is completely irrelevant unless you break a law doing so. Like illegal discharge of a weapon within city limits. A misdemeanor.
 
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Thanks for your personal opinion!


Well, it might be an opinion but it's one based on 9 years of experience.
 
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Nice try!


There was no suicide in the LoneStar shooting, so this concludes this tangent.

Yes, I can see why you wish to move on.
 
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I bet you claim Sandy Hook school was not a gun free zone because Lanza brought a rifle and two pistols to the school-shot his way into the place and then killed a bunch of unarmed adults and innocent children

we don't know the facts about the shooting-we do know that those who obey the law were unarmed

We have heard a ton about the problem with gun free zones from the right. And its always the same message: bad guys pick schools because they no its a gun free zone and its like shooting fish in a barrel and they can't shoot back. If there were only good guys there packing heat then they would be shot down in seconds and many lives would have been saved.

So what the hell does that have to do with what happened in Texas yesterday? Tell me. Who was the bad guy who came hunting and who could have been saved by more people whipping out the bad news and opening fire?

The Texas shootings had nothing in common with Newtown and the mention of a gun free zone was absurd and totally out of place. These were two guys who had a beef with each other and decided to use guns to solve it. In the crossfire, an innocent person was hit and a second had a heart attack.

The gun free zone had nothing to do with this and the only mention of it was a knee jerk automatic response by the right because that is their latest cause celebre in the desire to get even more guns in America and get them on the streets as part of a political and ideological agenda.
 
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Also, from that article:



Doubt the shooter shot himself.
From the Houston Local news that is exactly what happened.
One Shooter, One Gun. Bad guy,(Student status unknown) approaches student, argues with him,
pull out a gun and shoots him 3 times out of 5 to 7 shots.
1 stray hits a maintenance man.
Bad guy goes to put his gun back in his waste band, and shoots himself in leg.
The arrest him at the hospital, where he went for a gunshot wound.
http://www.khou.com/news/Reports-of...College-in-North-Harris-County-187912461.html
 
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Bad guy goes to put his gun back in his waste band, and shoots himself in leg.

You can't write better comedy than this. But seriously this was attempted murder and he should be given life in prison.

When the adrenaline hits the bloodstream a guy who was probably in close range can barely hit his target. Sometimes I think having a pistol gives one a false sense of superiority over foes.

What is a shame is after he unloaded his bullets that someone couldn't have charged him and took him out. But I wasn't there so that is just Monday morning quarterbacking.
 
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Sure they would -

NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police

"Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters today that cops inadvertently wounded nine people yesterday."

NYPD: 9 Civilians Near Empire State Building Were All Shot By Police: Gothamist

Exactly. There's no reason to run around shooting recklessly like gangsters and cops. Learn to properly use your firearm.
 
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