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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Did he have a valid concealed license? Was he 21? Not to mention crap happens. I've been trying to get my bearings in this forum. It has been a long day.
    It doesn't matter. The license doesn't make one all of the sudden smart and responsible. Had a license holder here walking up and down the mall swinging his shot gun around. Stupid and young go hand in hand.

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    Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It doesn't matter. The license doesn't make one all of the sudden smart and responsible. Had a license holder here walking up and down the mall swinging his shot gun around. Stupid and young go hand in hand.

    And I second the long day.
    Actually a license is very much relevant. Those who get concealed licenses have to pass a higher standard. This incident proves nothing more than a criminal is a criminal even at a college.

    And a kid "swinging is shotgun" that you can visibly see means it isn't concealed. That is a violation of concealed...concealed means concealed. In a morons case you should have reported him. Did he actively point it at people? There are some factors here I need to know about that incident to pass judgement.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Actually a license is very much relevant. Those who get concealed licenses have to pass a higher standard. This incident proves nothing more than a criminal is a criminal even at a college.

    And a kid "swinging is shotgun" that you can visibly see means it isn't concealed. That is a violation of concealed...concealed means concealed. In a morons case you should have reported him.
    And yet, he was doing it all the same, higher standard and all (he was reported, which is how we all know about it). Even the fellow who trains them here admits a small percentage will act foolish and give all gun owners a black eye. Like I said, young and stupid go hand in hand.

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    Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yet, he was doing it all the same, higher standard and all (he was reported, which is how we all know about it). Even the fellow who trains them here admits a small percentage will act foolish and give all gun owners a black eye. Like I said, young and stupid go hand in hand.
    And? 21 is the age. How did he do it? Actively pointing? Not? If you have a problem with 21 petition the he, but 21 can carry everywhere and 1 moron is no good reason to restrict everyone. As a rule concealed carry holders are at a much higher standard. That is statistically backed. What state did this occur in?
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Did he have a valid concealed license? Was he 21? Not to mention crap happens. I've been trying to get my bearings in this forum. It has been a long day.
    What difference does that make? I am sick and tired of the nonsense assertion that the 2A is not an "all citizen" right, in and of itself, and that one must take a ten hour class ($100), pass a 50 question test and pay a large ($140) fee simply to get the "and bear" part of it. Having "graduated" from this Super High Intensity Training (great acronym huh?) and forking over $240 does not make you into a super citizen or prove that you will not overreact to someone intent on pushing you around.

    The NICS background check is no more "intense" for CHL in Texas than for simply buying a handgun, the "value added" by proving that you can parrot back the law, know basic range safety rules and can blast large targets at distances of 3, 7 and 15 yards (if you were unable to get "qualified" before even getting to the 15 yard target, this is probably a waste of time/ammo) is dubious at best. Having a CCW permit/CHL is not a "007" license to kill, it is simply a way for the state to make normal people feel "special" and to get more money from them, of course.

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    Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What difference does that make? I am sick and tired of the nonsense assertion that the 2A is not an "all citizen" right, in and of itself, and that one must take a ten hour class ($100), pass a 50 question test and pay a large ($140) fee simply to get the "and bear" part of it. Having "graduated" from this Super High Intensity Training (great acronym huh?) and forking over $240 does not make you into a super citizen or prove that you will not overreact to someone intent on pushing you around.

    The NICS background check is no more "intense" for CHL in Texas than for simply buying a handgun, the "value added" by proving that you can parrot back the law, know basic range safety rules and can blast large targets at distances of 3, 7 and 15 yards (if you were unable to get "qualified" before even getting to the 15 yard target, this is probably a waste of time/ammo) is dubious at best. Having a CCW permit/CHL is not a "007" license to kill, it is simply a way for the state to make normal people feel "special" and to get more money from them, of course.

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    Sorry man. Not gonna sell me on that. I like the license to carry concealed. I think it should be shall issue though. Most states are now. This isn't about ownership, this is about carrying into public. I want to expand the location of carry before we even discuss removing the license.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    And? 21 is the age. How did he do it? Actively pointing? Not? If you have a problem with 21 petition the he, but 21 can carry everywhere and 1 moron is no good reason to restrict everyone. As a rule concealed carry holders are at a much higher standard. That is statistically backed. What state did this occur in?
    There's more than one moron. Stupidity and youth go hand in hand. We young people being foolish often, with and without guns. Not sure we should help them.

    However, that's just one argument. We can add, there's no real need for one at school, a place much safer than the general population. Schools are responsible for safety and guns on campus complicate their job. There is no evidence guns make a difference, either way on crime or the few times there are shootings. So there is no reason to take the risk.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Sorry man. Not gonna sell me on that. I like the license to carry concealed. I think it should be shall issue though. Most states are now. This isn't about ownership, this is about carrying into public. I want to expand the location of carry before we even discuss removing the license.
    Fine, then make it as "accessable" as a driver's license and for the same fee. In Texas that is $24, including the study materials, the written/practical tests and the required photography, but charging $240 for a CHL, is far out of cost reach for many ordinary citizens. Unlike a driver's license, a CHL is applied to a Constitutional right not a state issued privilege. What possible reason exists for making the CHL cost that high, other than trying to limit them to only affluent folks?
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There is no evidence guns make a difference, either way on crime or the few times there are shootings.
    I think that is more to do with the "norm" being to not allow teachers to carry, but with more schools allowing teachers to carry we may soon find that evidence one way or another. I think personally that allowing teachers to carry can prevent or lessen the devastating affects of a shooter in a school.

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