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Thread: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    CDC doesn't make the claim you cite. The make the claim of little effect of any gun regulation. Nor does the FBI back you up as they only give numbers and not reasoning.

    As for Harvard, do you mean this study:


    The study's author, Dr. David Hemenway, professor of Health Policy at Harvard School of Public Health, weighed the various risks of having a gun in the home, such as accidents, suicide, homicide, and intimidation and compared them to the potential benefits of having a firearm in a home such as deterrence and self-defense. He found that homes with guns were not safer nor did they deter more crime than those that did not have guns. Rather, having a gun in the home posed a greater threat to the family than not having a gun. In homes with children or women, the health risks were even greater.

    Study: Guns in the home offer more risk than benefit | MNN - Mother Nature Network
    First things first: where did I link to Lott?

    I tried haveing a decent, civil exploration of your opinion, and in return you wanted to **** allover this thread by accusing me of using Lott, so show me where I used Lott.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But, the claim was born in his research.
    That doesn't matter. Not at all.

    Remember what I said about being 100% correct yet failing if your source material is bad? That's Lott. He was right, but his research sucked.

    Other people came along and did much better research which proved the original claim.

    So, back to point: Where did I source Lott's work to support my argument?

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The only way to stop someone who has already decided he is going to die is to kill him before he kills lots of other people. and the only way to do that is to have armed responders on site at schools
    You don't think those guys the crazy ones wouldn't figure it out? And how to knock the armed responders in the first place.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You don't think those guys the crazy ones wouldn't figure it out? And how to knock the armed responders in the first place.
    When I'm standing guard at my post, I want the bad guy to come for me first. That's the point of me announcing my presence and carrying openly. I want him to see me, and if he engages then I want him to fire at me first.

    I will engage him and kill him.

    At the very least, even if I die, others will have more notice to take action. I hope such action begin with taking my weapon as they retreat so they can further slow or halt the bad guy's advance.

    There are things greater than yourself. I would gladly die in defense of a school.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

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    Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 150]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You don't think those guys the crazy ones wouldn't figure it out? And how to knock the armed responders in the first place.
    Any other method to stop a school shooter is welcome. Problem is...you can't stop someone from forcing their way in...without force...or a ridiculously complex security system that would require physical barriers and someone would probably still need to be armed to keep the barriers up.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You don't think those guys the crazy ones wouldn't figure it out? And how to knock the armed responders in the first place.
    uh that's why one guard or cop in uniform is not nearly as good as several staff members with CCWs whose identity is not obvious



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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The only way to stop someone who has already decided he is going to die is to kill him before he kills lots of other people. and the only way to do that is to have armed responders on site at schools
    If I've decided to kill you, you can't stop me. I'm not letting you go for your gun. And even if you got your gun out, I doubt many would be calm enough to stop me. They will likely just add to the death toll. And the police might mistake you for the shooter. Considering the lack of need, and all of the risks, school simply isn't the place.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    First things first: where did I link to Lott?

    I tried haveing a decent, civil exploration of your opinion, and in return you wanted to **** allover this thread by accusing me of using Lott, so show me where I used Lott.
    I did no such thing. I said your thought, the premise comes from Lott. Know the difference.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody[W: 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That doesn't matter. Not at all.

    Remember what I said about being 100% correct yet failing if your source material is bad? That's Lott. He was right, but his research sucked.

    Other people came along and did much better research which proved the original claim.

    So, back to point: Where did I source Lott's work to support my argument?
    It does matter. He was not correct. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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