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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are the one that made the claim. On what did you base that claim?
    On the fact that cops kill people.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure the failure is the governments as their role is rather limited. Instead, a country fully in love with guns might have a cultural failure. I think there is enough evidence to question that if not answer it fully.
    That's quite possible.

    The hypocrisy of Hollywood and its contribution to gun violence has been well documented.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    According to this source, "...no one anywhere comprehensively tracks the most significant act police can do in the line of duty: take a life."

    National data on shootings by police not collected - 142 Dead, and Rising - Deadly Force - ReviewJournal.com

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    According to this source, "...no one anywhere comprehensively tracks the most significant act police can do in the line of duty: take a life."

    National data on shootings by police not collected - 142 Dead, and Rising - Deadly Force - ReviewJournal.com
    I 100% believe that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'd actually like to see the complete, unadulterated stats on how many people a year cops kill. I don't think they release that number though.
    After surfing this a bit, you are correct--there is no official database that tracks these things. In various articles, the stat that about 1 person a day is shot and killed by the police did appear in multiple sources, but that appears to have been gleaned from a study that covered a period of years in the 80's-early 90's. I suspect it is higher. I did find one study that indicated there were on average .9/1000 officers involved in a fatal shooting in the mid 90's and .2/1000 involved in a non-fatal shooting, but that was as close as I could get.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    After surfing this a bit, you are correct--there is no official database that tracks these things. In various articles, the stat that about 1 person a day is shot and killed by the police did appear in multiple sources, but that appears to have been gleaned from a study that covered a period of years in the 80's-early 90's. I suspect it is higher. I did find one study that indicated there were on average .9/1000 officers involved in a fatal shooting in the mid 90's and .2/1000 involved in a non-fatal shooting, but that was as close as I could get.
    I've seen the stat that there are 4-5 hundred "justifiable" police killings a year. Interesting though, yes? They'll compile the list of homicides by civilians and post that as much as possible; but refuse to do so for government agents. I think both would be useful.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It reads like farce of the worst kind. If this ongoing, and tragic, story was submitted for a possible book it would be rejected as being too far from any possibility reality.

    But there it is.Chicago Homicides Outnumber U.S. Troop Killings In Afghanistan
    I remember one night my car broke down right next to the Robert Taylor homes, they had a gang war that night and I actually had to hide in my car because they were fighting with some serious weaponry. When I saw the sparks coming off the fence and hearing what was going on I knew it was time to hide - it was insane. They were going at it and I was right in the middle of it. You couldn't tell the difference between trains passing and machine gun fire. It went on for a good 45 minutes and scared the hell out of me.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've seen the stat that there are 4-5 hundred "justifiable" police killings a year. Interesting though, yes? They'll compile the list of homicides by civilians and post that as much as possible; but refuse to do so for government agents. I think both would be useful.
    Yes, especially since the 1 a day is short of your other stat which is probably more current. My guess is that 99.9% of them are "justifiable" so that would definitely show the trend is growing. This is going to annoy me. I'll do some further digging. I am sure there is a number out there somewhere--it is just going to require some creative culling of DOJ docs.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    On the fact that cops kill people.
    You make no distinction between criminals and innocent civilians killed?
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You make no distinction between criminals and innocent civilians killed?
    Do you make such distinctions for civilians?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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