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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly. There's no reason to run around shooting recklessly like gangsters and cops. Learn to properly use your firearm.
    Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?
    The problem wasn't training.

    The problem was the "New York Trigger". I know low-information voters who use "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably and believe that "assault weapons" are real things just like Santa and the Easter bunny, can't be bothered to know how trigger-pull plays into accuracy, but it matters...a ton.

    Those NY cops were using a gun with a 13lb trigger pull. This forces the finger to 'muscle' the trigger, which pulls the gun off-target. Most hand guns have a factory 3-5lb trigger pull, and most civilians dial that down to 2lbs or lower for accuracy, but NY cops have to have a gun with a custom 13lb pull. That means the cop has to essentially pick up a 13lb hand weight with one finger in order to fire the gun.

    A barely practiced civilian with a 2lb trigger will be more accurate than a well trained cop with a 13lb trigger.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The problem wasn't training.

    The problem was the "New York Trigger". I know low-information voters who use "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably and believe that "assault weapons" are real things just like Santa and the Easter bunny, can't be bothered to know how trigger-pull plays into accuracy, but it matters...a ton.

    Those NY cops were using a gun with a 13lb trigger pull. This forces the finger to 'muscle' the trigger, which pulls the gun off-target. Most hand guns have a factory 3-5lb trigger pull, and most civilians dial that down to 2lbs or lower for accuracy, but nY cops have to have a gun with a 13lb pull.

    A barely practiced civilian with a 2lb trigger will be more accurate than a well trained cop with a 13lb trigger.
    Interesting argument, and you may have a point. And it may also be that this is largely difficult to do. More than one police officer has related how people shooting at other people often goes array. And I suspect the less training one has, the less practice, the less familiarity, the less likely one is to hit the right target.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Interesting argument, and you may have a point. And it may also be that this is largely difficult to do. More than one police officer has related how people shooting at other people often goes array. And I suspect the less training one has, the less practice, the less familiarity, the less likely one is to hit the right target.
    What angers me about that NY cop story is that these cops are well trained, and had they used a 2-5lb trigger they very likely would have hit/killed the perp with few if any injuries to bystanders. It's possible a couple rounds would have still missed and injured someone, but not nearly as many.

    The NY trigger was instituted after cops kept shooting themselves in the foot while re-holstering their gun. They hit the trigger of the gun while fumbling with the issued retention-level-3 holster they're required to use. Rather than look at different holsters, the NYPD opted for the heavier custom trigger. Big mistake.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly. There's no reason to run around shooting recklessly like gangsters and cops. Learn to properly use your firearm.
    It was trained police officers that shot 9 bystanders. The guy with a concealed weapon at the Arizona shooting almost shot the hero because he thought he was the shooter!
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What angers me about that NY cop story is that these cops are well trained, and had they used a 2-5lb trigger they very likely would have hit/killed the perp with few if any injuries to bystanders. It's possible a couple rounds would have still missed and injured someone, but not nearly as many.
    That may be true, but even you admit some may have gone array. Now, consider lesser trained people shooting.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How are they carried out in Japan...a country with no access to firearms and a suicide rate 5tines greater than the US?
    No doubt there are other factors at play as well.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That may be true, but even you admit some may have gone array. Now, consider lesser trained people shooting.
    Just read in the Dallas Morning News one of the guys involved in this shoot out accidentally shot himself in the hip.

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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Aren't they trained? Doesn't this underscore the difficulty of asserting that being armed equals being safe?
    That is the down side of ANY and ALL of our Constitutional rights, they are given to all at birth (or at least citizens upon attaining adult age). Once you assert that "training" or "qualification" may be added to get them then one may ask why allow voting by morons? Much more harm, to our rights and freedom, can be done by passing restrictive laws and ceding ever more control/power to the gov't by voting for (and by) morons, than can be done by any single individual with a gun. Many elections are decided by less than 5% of the voters. Calls for adding the requirement of a simply presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID to vote are often rejected, much less adding any tests of voter competency, e.g. naming the current US representatives, two Senators and one House representative. Those that are very quick to demand "strict qualification tests" for getting one's 2A rights seem to be the very same folks that would deny any "reasonable restriction" being paced on the right to vote. I will take your "public safety" concerns seriously when you pass and enforce laws to permanently lock up all repeat felony offenders (and the criminally insane) and require only citizens with valid, state issued, photo IDs showing current residency be allowed to vote (only once and only as themselves) in a given election.
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    Re: Lone Star College Shooting Leaves 3 Injured, 'Person of Interest' in Custody

    Why is this on this forum? One pistol used between a couple people. One injured by misdirected round. This happens on the streets and homes every day. WTF?! Someone trying to make this an assasination incident? Crawl back under your blankets.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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