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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Link me to a real constiutional scholar and I would consider it. Since you haven't done that why should I listen?

    Oh and btw, Carl T Bogus is anti-gun...why should I listen to anything he says?
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yep, a journal, big whoop. Getting something published in a journal isn't that hard, nor does it have to be factual. BTW, here's his home page...

    Carl T. Bogus

    Where does it say that he is a Constitutional Scholar?
    So you read the article and want to discuss the merits?

    Oh wait, no, you want to pretend to make arguments. I forget. I'm dealing with a gun lover.

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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

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    This is the best you can do? BWHHWHHAHAHHAH!

    Stay with your ahistorical NRA narratives. They become you.
    Sure, I'll stay with them. I'll also suggest that you lose that chip on your shoulder and get away from always bringing up the race card while I'm at it.
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So you got the point of my post. Good. The point of course was to show that no laws will ever be perfect. So your question of "Because apparently existing gun laws are perfect?" is equally as absurd as my arguement.
    Incorrect. Theirs is an argument of absolutism, mine is one of nuance. I am not foolish enough to think that current laws cannot even be tweaked. The people holding those signs think that.



    I believe that civilians should be allowed to own any gun that is in the military. That was the whole point of "shall not be infringed" in the 2nd amendment. To keep the civilians on equal footing with the government.
    There are those who would disagree about that point. Even among the founding fathers there was disagreement. Some would argue that the point was to avoid the need for an overly-powerful standing army, because those guys saw standing armies as tools for aristocrats to seize power. Hence the first part of the amendment, the part you guys always leave out. A well-regulated militia...

    Do you really believe civilians should be on equal footing with the government? Guns, you say. How about grenade and rocket launchers? Portable surface to air weaponry? Does this include tanks? Attack helicopters? Fighter jets? Nuclear weapons? If not, you aren't really on equal footing, now are you?

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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    I'm wondering if that's a smart move or not for them. On one hand, it's a passionate issue, allowing the Tea Party to get actively involved again so soon after the election. On top of that, there is significant overlap between 2nd amendment defenders and the Tea Party. Then again, the advantage of largely concentrating on fiscal matters enables you to bring in a wider coalition than if you keep adding planks to your platform.
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Incorrect. Theirs is an argument of absolutism, mine is one of nuance. I am not foolish enough to think that current laws cannot even be tweaked. The people holding those signs think that.
    Laws can always be tweaked, Rights should not be without going through the appropriate channel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are those who would disagree about that point. Even among the founding fathers there was disagreement. Some would argue that the point was to avoid the need for an overly-powerful standing army, because those guys saw standing armies as tools for aristocrats to seize power. Hence the first part of the amendment, the part you guys always leave out. A well-regulated militia...
    Perhaps that is why both parts are in the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you really believe civilians should be on equal footing with the government? Guns, you say. How about grenade and rocket launchers? Portable surface to air weaponry? Does this include tanks? Attack helicopters? Fighter jets? Nuclear weapons? If not, you aren't really on equal footing, now are you?
    I don't think that even the government should have nuclear arms. The rest of that though? Sure. But its not like people can't get those anyways if they have enough money even despite the law. Just take a look at the crazy whacked out muslims for evidence of that. Some people DO own tanks and attack helicopters and fighter jets in this country. Yeah they may be "disarmed" but they could be re-armed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not the 18th century.
    So? I would argue that the need is even greater now than then. Its much easier for the government to become tyrannical than it was then.
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