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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Since 2008, I've noticed a lot of people (generally right wingers) who confuse tyranny with losing an election. Obama is not a tyrant. Bush wasn't a tyrant either. Pushing policies that you don't agree with is not tyranny. The president declaring a law, without congress passing it, and deploying the military to enforce it... that would be tyranny. Suspending elections would be tyranny. If that ever happens, liberals and conservatives alike would rise up in revolt. We are a long way from tyranny.
    Well, that much is true, we are not under tyranny either, just as liberal progressives have it wrong that every disagreement with Obama is born out of racism...But just a question since you were so exact...If the President declares a law, without congress passing it, but doesn't deploy the military to enforce it, yet relies on the ignorance, and police to do that, it isn't tyranny? Really?
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Since 2008, I've noticed a lot of people (generally right wingers) who confuse tyranny with losing an election. Obama is not a tyrant. Bush wasn't a tyrant either. Pushing policies that you don't agree with is not tyranny. The president declaring a law, without congress passing it, and deploying the military to enforce it... that would be tyranny. Suspending elections would be tyranny. If that ever happens, liberals and conservatives alike would rise up in revolt. We are a long way from tyranny.
    Making laws which circumvent our Rights is also tyranny. I could almost care less what policies any politician made so long as they didn't mess with our rights.
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Since 2008, I've noticed a lot of people (generally right wingers) who confuse tyranny with losing an election. Obama is not a tyrant. Bush wasn't a tyrant either. Pushing policies that you don't agree with is not tyranny. The president declaring a law, without congress passing it, and deploying the military to enforce it... that would be tyranny. Suspending elections would be tyranny. If that ever happens, liberals and conservatives alike would rise up in revolt. We are a long way from tyranny.
    Note the bold. Apparently we are at step 1. 23 Executive orders without congressional approval.

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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OK, here we go....on to pejorative name calling that you progressives seem to go to like second nature...Might I just remind you....

    "Sandra Fluke is coming! Sandra Fluke is coming! Acclaimed women's rights activist! Everyone, be sure to clear enough space for the masses ... all 10 of them." A rally in Reno featuring superstar Democrat Sandra Fluke appeared to be a bust Saturday after the activist's speech drew a crowd small enough to count on one's fingers. (Or, as one reporter put it, that could "fit comfortably inside a single Chevy Suburban.")"

    Sandra Fluke rally in Reno draws only 10 people to Sak 'N Save parking lot

    Talk about rally fails....
    Best you can do after twisting so much of what I say and just plain making crap up??? yet another thread where you fail, but will say this about you, you are consistent.

    Now rather than discuss the topic at hand, your 'reasons' have been batted down like so many annoying mosquitoes, so once again you deflect to something in no way related to this subject. it seems to be a pattern, can't debate the topic, so it is poo flinging time...

    That doesn't change the FACT that on a nice saturday, when supposedly so many are angry/worried over the 2nd A, a 'gun'friendly county in Northern Cali could only get 200 of it's 177,233 citizens to take a few hours to 'appreciate' firearms. AND those who attended were mostly angry old white guys talking about tyranny...

    now seeing how you had to dig like a rabid gopher to dredge up Sandra Fluke... She isn't a democrat superstar, she wouldn't have been a blip on the national radar if Oxccy Rush hadn't called her a slut, so she was more the radical right fringe's superstar than the democrat's. most democrats would say the young lady is just another woman living a normal life.

    but you keep digging....

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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Note the bold. Apparently we are at step 1. 23 Executive orders without congressional approval.
    Executive orders are executing discretion that is granted to the executive branch by congress.

    Did you even read them? Is there a specific objection you have to any of them?


    The problem with this debate is right there in the video. "No new gun laws." These people don't care what the law is, they oppose it. They've rejected even the pretense of rational discussion. "No new gun laws." Because apparently existing gun laws are perfect?
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Making laws which circumvent our Rights is also tyranny. I could almost care less what policies any politician made so long as they didn't mess with our rights.
    Every law circumvents our rights. You're making a meaningless distinction.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Note the bold. Apparently we are at step 1. 23 Executive orders without congressional approval.
    Still subject to oversight and control by the other two branches.
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Best you can do after twisting so much of what I say and just plain making crap up??? yet another thread where you fail, but will say this about you, you are consistent.

    Now rather than discuss the topic at hand, your 'reasons' have been batted down like so many annoying mosquitoes, so once again you deflect to something in no way related to this subject. it seems to be a pattern, can't debate the topic, so it is poo flinging time...

    That doesn't change the FACT that on a nice saturday, when supposedly so many are angry/worried over the 2nd A, a 'gun'friendly county in Northern Cali could only get 200 of it's 177,233 citizens to take a few hours to 'appreciate' firearms. AND those who attended were mostly angry old white guys talking about tyranny...

    now seeing how you had to dig like a rabid gopher to dredge up Sandra Fluke... She isn't a democrat superstar, she wouldn't have been a blip on the national radar if Oxccy Rush hadn't called her a slut, so she was more the radical right fringe's superstar than the democrat's. most democrats would say the young lady is just another woman living a normal life.

    but you keep digging....

    Lots of projection going on here....You were talking about the single rally in one county making the whole thing a fail, and I showed you what a fail actually looks like. So in true fashion you can only come back and twist, turn, and mouth foam over nothing....But hey, we are all aware that progressives have nothing but pejorative, and personal attack...They really are like children.
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Note the bold. Apparently we are at step 1. 23 Executive orders without congressional approval.
    EO's don't require Congressional approval, Nor are they Laws. Only Congress can pass laws so if we get any gun ban laws it's on Congress.
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    EO's don't require Congressional approval, Nor are they Laws. Only Congress can pass laws so if we get any gun ban laws it's on Congress.

    "Obama signed a whopping 23 executive orders related to "gun control" Wednesday. At least one of them would appear to directly defy legislation duly approved by Congress and signed into law--making the orders illegal. Let's look at order #14:

    14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

    This executive order would seem to run afoul of the little problem that Congress has for years specifically disallowed such "research" in its budget legislation, because it was actually no more than an effort to slap a thin veneer of academic respectability over anti-gun activism, in order to provide justification for more oppressive gun laws.

    Basically, groups like the Brady Campaign, who have railed against congressional interference with their agenda of anti-gun "science" want not only to impose draconian laws on American gun-owning taxpayers, but want them to pay for the laws' supposed justification as well. So far, Congress has seen through that, and disallowed funding for the research. An executive order mandating it is thus illegal."

    Obama signed a whopping 23 executive orders related to "gun control" Wednesday. At least one of them would appear to directly defy legislation duly approved by Congress and signed into law--making the orders illegal. Let's look at order #14:

    14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

    This executive order would seem to run afoul of the little problem that Congress has for years specifically disallowed such "research" in its budget legislation, because it was actually no more than an effort to slap a thin veneer of academic respectability over anti-gun activism, in order to provide justification for more oppressive gun laws.

    Basically, groups like the Brady Campaign, who have railed against congressional interference with their agenda of anti-gun "science" want not only to impose draconian laws on American gun-owning taxpayers, but want them to pay for the laws' supposed justification as well. So far, Congress has seen through that, and disallowed funding for the research. An executive order mandating it is thus illegal.

    Obama signed a whopping 23 executive orders related to "gun control" Wednesday. At least one of them would appear to directly defy legislation duly approved by Congress and signed into law--making the orders illegal. Let's look at order #14:

    14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

    This executive order would seem to run afoul of the little problem that Congress has for years specifically disallowed such "research" in its budget legislation, because it was actually no more than an effort to slap a thin veneer of academic respectability over anti-gun activism, in order to provide justification for more oppressive gun laws.

    Basically, groups like the Brady Campaign, who have railed against congressional interference with their agenda of anti-gun "science" want not only to impose draconian laws on American gun-owning taxpayers, but want them to pay for the laws' supposed justification as well. So far, Congress has seen through that, and disallowed funding for the research. An executive order mandating it is thus illegal.

    Obama's illegal executive orders for 'gun control' undermine rule of law - St. Louis gun rights | Examiner.com
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    Re: Redding California Tea Party right to bear arms Second Amendment Rally

    The ever catty braying loons always skip the issues and go straight for the most personal attack they can find. They'd ridicule the color of someone's sox if they could.

    That is why it is generally now accepted in American lexicon that the term "women" always includes male liberals.

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