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Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

I've been going to gunshows for over 30 years. In that time, I witnessed one accidental discharge - it was a sheriff deputy who shot himself in the foot with his own gun.

I have rented tables at shows and gone to 100's of shows over the years. The rules are always the same. All guns are checked at the entry door to verify they are unloaded by a police officer. All guns are strapped with zipties so they are made to be unable to function by the police officer. Anyone found with a loaded gun is escorted out of the show and arrested. Any person with a rented table found with a gun loaded or not ziptied is escorted out of the show and barred from ever renting a table again.

Regardless, every gun should always be treated as if it were loaded.
 
Dammitboy! said:
I've been going to gunshows for over 30 years. In that time, I witnessed one accidental discharge - it was a sheriff deputy who shot himself in the foot with his own gun.

I have rented tables at shows and gone to 100's of shows over the years. The rules are always the same. All guns are checked at the entry door to verify they are unloaded by a police officer. All guns are strapped with zipties so they are made to be unable to function by the police officer. Anyone found with a loaded gun is escorted out of the show and arrested. Any person with a rented table found with a gun loaded or not ziptied is escorted out of the show and barred from ever renting a table again.

Regardless, every gun should always be treated as if it were loaded.
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That is the only way to have a gun show. Am surprized they aren't all ran that way.
 
TurtleDude said:
the ones I go to they are pretty thorough checking bags and all weapons-can someone smuggle in a loaded weapon-yes. can someone buy a box of ammo or bring one in and covertly load a displayed gun-yes

another show they rope every gun coming in-you know put a piece of rope through the muzzle and out the action
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The gun shows you go to don't require a bright plastic/metal chamber blockers in all firearms?

Seriously?
 
Grant said:
These homes were not necessarily "unsafe". The point is accidents happen and a world of regulations won't prevent them from happening. In fact that's why they are called 'accidents'.
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"preventing accidents from happening" is a straw man

The issue is reducing the # of "accidents"
 
obvious Child said:
The gun shows you go to don't require a bright plastic/metal chamber blockers in all firearms?

Seriously?
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no they don't that is a good idea for weapons the public are bringing in. I know at one of the ranges I shoot at (the other the targets come back to the shooters so there is no need for cease fires) when there is a cease fire there needs to be a flag in the chamber or a piece of rope through the action so the RO can see all weapons are safe
 
sangha said:
"preventing accidents from happening" is a straw man

The issue is reducing the # of "accidents"
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wow talk about a silly hang up on semantics
 
TurtleDude said:
no they don't that is a good idea for weapons the public are bringing in.
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The gun shows I used to go to with my dad (he had a table and still does) required that of all firearms. Every firearm displayed or coming out of a case for display had to have a brightly colored chamber blocker. The fact that your gun shows don't is frightening to me. My dad's gun club who ran the show would go around citing people for not having them, and then temporarily providing them cheap ones. I don't think they ever had an incident of accidental discharge in twenty years. I honestly thought that kind of stuff was standard. Guess not.

I know at one of the ranges I shoot at (the other the targets come back to the shooters so there is no need for cease fires) when there is a cease fire there needs to be a flag in the chamber or a piece of rope through the action so the RO can see all weapons are safe
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Well, considering that some ROs are old and have not the best eyesight, bright chamber blockers are key to safety on the range.
 
madman said:
my post has more merit than an unsubstantiated claim. Thanks for your input.
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Sure, if it WERE unsubstantiated, but it wasn't. You attempt as an empty hand-slapping, knee-jerker was a fail.
 
American said:
Your post is neither edifying nor entertaining. Your post is void of intellectual content, and is unresponsive to the post it pretends to address. It is a pretend response, one expected from one who lives in a pretend world.
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Attacks are so much more fun than attempts to provide actual contradictory information. :roll:

Does or does not the statement, "I heard from a security guard that X happened", fit the common understanding of 'hearsay'?
 
Somerville said:
Attacks are so much more fun than attempts to provide actual contradictory information. :roll:

Does or does not the statement, "I heard from a security guard that X happened", fit the common understanding of 'hearsay'?
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you were making something up and everyone knows it-I was not
 
TurtleDude said:
are you aware of the fact that anti gun fanatics have been arrested covertly loading displayed guns at shows to create accidents?l
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Yeah, but I think this guy was coming into the show. Only if he was anti-gun could that apply here.

However, stuff will happen. Get tens of thousands of guns together in any given weekend and something is bound to go wrong eventually. Doesn't change my stance one bit - gun control in all forms is stupid.
 
TurtleDude said:
are you aware of the fact that anti gun fanatics have been arrested covertly loading displayed guns at shows to create accidents?l
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That does remind me of something I did a million years ago in my youth. I didn't realize hand crossbows were under the same rules as guns and I cocked one (testing the draw weight). It was obviously not loaded, after all you can SEE the "chamber" on a crossbow, but I thought the dealer was going to have a heart attack! LOL!
 
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Mr.Nick said:
This is what happens when tyrants attempt to ban guns - everyone and their momma wants one despite the fact they have absolutely no idea how to use them safely.

On a different note; maybe Obama should take notice that people are buying guns and ammo in bulk. Does "civil war" mean anything to him? or does the 500% increase in gun sales go over his head?
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Civil war my foot. I'd bet he believes, as I do, that it has more to do with the fervor created by the extreme right-wing than anything else. And before you go labeling me as anti-gun I suggest you do some research about my position.
 
Tigger said:
For a very simple reason, as I just pointed out in my previous post.... Because we are not the only people who will be at the show. There will be members of the public who have never touched a gun before at these events. People who have no clue as to firearms safety or safe gun handling practices. Therefore, as a general safety precaution no ammunition is allowed inside the exhibition hall. All ammunition displays and sales are required to occur outside of the exhibition hall. It's not about limiting our rights as much as it is about ensuring the safety of the morons who really don't belong there in the first place.
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Here in Texas, the ammo and guns are for sale in the same building right next to each other. The pistol I purchased had a zip tie through the trigger guard that was cinched tightly around the hammer. I bought the gun, then realized that I'd left my snuff can out in the truck. I needed to shop more but didn't feel like leaving my new gun out in the truck for fear that it might get stolen.

When I came back in, a LEO by the entryway checked on my gun. He told me to make sure that the zip tie remained on the gun while I was inside. I put it back in the case and went in to buy bullets, cleaning supplies, and a holster.
 
d0gbreath said:
Here in Texas, the ammo and guns are for sale in the same building right next to each other. The pistol I purchased had a zip tie through the trigger guard that was cinched tightly around the hammer. I bought the gun, then realized that I'd left my snuff can out in the truck. I needed to shop more but didn't feel like leaving my new gun out in the truck for fear that it might get stolen.

When I came back in, a LEO by the entryway checked on my gun. He told me to make sure that the zip tie remained on the gun while I was inside. I put it back in the case and went in to buy bullets, cleaning supplies, and a holster.
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At every gunshow I've attended here in the Northeast a couple of things would have happened differently.....

1. The gun would have had to leave in a locked case or with a trigger lock on it unless you were carrying it.
2. You would not have been allowed to walk around with the gun unless it was in a case or in a holster (and you had a CCW permit)
3. You would have had to go to a separate location to purchase the ammunition, which you would not have been allowed to re-enter the main exhibition hall with. It would have to be left in your vehicle to re-enter the main area of the show.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Civil war my foot. I'd bet he believes, as I do, that it has more to do with the fervor created by the extreme right-wing than anything else. And before you go labeling me as anti-gun I suggest you do some research about my position.
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Really? so what exactly would you do over a national gun ban?

Just take it?

The way I see it is the only people with the power to say no are those that own guns.

History doesn't need to be repeated.. Furthermore the UK is a fantastic example of what happens when the government bans guns - the government turns around and dictates, as has every country/regime that has banned guns.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Really? so what exactly would you do over a national gun ban?

Just take it?

History doesn't need to be repeated.. Furthermore the UK is a fantastic example of what happens when the government bans guns - the government turns around and dictates, as has every country/regime that has banned guns.
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No reason to speculate or comment over extremist fear-mongering. Rants like these are part of the problem, not the solution.


Mr.Nick said:
The way I see it is the only people with the power to say no are those that own guns.
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A lot of people can't see more than one solution to a problem.
 
MoSurveyor said:
No reason to speculate or comment over extremist fear-mongering. Rants like these are part of the problem, not the solution.


A lot of people can't see more than one solution to a problem.
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I asked you a question.

My scenario is not at all out of the realm of possibilities considering progressives want to ban guns entirely, and considering the fact Chicago has pretty much told the SCOTUS to **** off when it comes to their gun ban.

The notion my question and concerns are "fear-mongering" is downright ridiculous and nothing more than a deflection of an honest and rational question.

Now answer the question or shut up.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I asked you a question.

My scenario is not at all out of the realm of possibilities considering progressives want to ban guns entirely, and considering the fact Chicago has pretty much told the SCOTUS to **** off when it comes to their gun ban.

The notion my question and concerns are "fear-mongering" is downright ridiculous and nothing more than a deflection of an honest and rational question.

Now answer the question or shut up.
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The answer is "just take it". It's what the gun nuts have always done, and what they will always do (aside from post angry rants on the Internet)
 
Mr.Nick said:
Really? so what exactly would you do over a national gun ban?

Just take it?

The way I see it is the only people with the power to say no are those that own guns.

History doesn't need to be repeated.. Furthermore the UK is a fantastic example of what happens when the government bans guns - the government turns around and dictates, as has every country/regime that has banned guns.
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It will never be done all at once. The liberals are too clever for that. Look at NY, with a 7 round limit and complete resgistration required, not a peep from the sheeple at all. The republicants in congress won't dare object for fear of what the MSM will do to them if they dare "allow more children to die". These are very powerful forces, you are but one, barely armed sheep, enjoy your fantasy of armed resistance, but take note of reality all around you. Have you even rented permission to carry your tyrant blaster? Do you hide it in your home, waiting for someone to try to take it? Did you buy it on the sly so no FFL dealer can tell on you? Many appear to act just like cockroaches, scurrying around in the dark, yet disappearing at the flick of a light switch, lest they might get squashed or sprayed. ;)
 
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obvious Child said:
The gun shows I used to go to with my dad (he had a table and still does) required that of all firearms. Every firearm displayed or coming out of a case for display had to have a brightly colored chamber blocker. The fact that your gun shows don't is frightening to me. My dad's gun club who ran the show would go around citing people for not having them, and then temporarily providing them cheap ones. I don't think they ever had an incident of accidental discharge in twenty years. I honestly thought that kind of stuff was standard. Guess not.



Well, considering that some ROs are old and have not the best eyesight, bright chamber blockers are key to safety on the range.
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Coast to coast over the last...10 years or so...and Ive never seen such a thing. Ever.

MOST gun show vendors run alarm sensors that have to be deactivated when a firearm is removed but that is for anti-theft protection. But chamber blocks? Never seen them.
 
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