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    Re: Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Rove was an idiot, but the oversampling is a problem...The only reason it isn't more of one is because the American people are fickle, and change their minds often. Another thing that is of course just my opinion, but none the less I think relevant is how these polls are being used by today's media outlets, that are in the tank for this president to start with.
    Are you saying the polls were wrong and the president wasn't reelected?
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    Re: Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you saying the polls were wrong and the president wasn't reelected?
    No. I am saying that media that are in the tank for this president, or any president can no longer be trusted to convey truthful information.
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    Re: Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No. I am saying that media that are in the tank for this president, or any president can no longer be trusted to convey truthful information.

    and then there is a more rational analysis of media coverage of the two candidates
    Final Weeks in the Mainstream Press
    November 19, 2012

    Throughout most of the general campaign period, President Obama received slightly better coverage in the mainstream press than Governor Romney did. An earlier PEJ report showed that from August 27 to October 21, 19% of stories about Obama were clearly favorable in tone while 30% were unfavorable and 51% were mixed. For Romney, 15% of the stories were favorable, while 38% were unfavorable and 47% were mixed-a differential toward negative stories of 23 points.

    However, most of the difference during that period could be accounted for by the horse-race stories, which generally showed Obama with small leads in important state and national polls. If those horse-race stories were removed from the sample, the coverage of the two candidates became quite similar-15% of the remaining campaign stories about Obama were positive, 32% were negative and 53% were mixed. For Romney it was 14% positive, 32% negative and 55% mixed.

    The next week included the third and final debate, which most polls indicated Obama had won. Obama, however, did not see an improvement in his media coverage. The week of the final debate, October 22 to 28, Obama's coverage was 16% positive and 30% negative while Romney's was 18% positive and 32% negative-about on par with the week prior.

    Then, in the final week (October 29 to November 5), a noticeable change occurred: Obama's coverage improved dramatically while Romney's coverage stayed about the same but shrank in volume.
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    Re: Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No. I am saying that media that are in the tank for this president, or any president can no longer be trusted to convey truthful information.
    Not following, they got it it right during the 2012 election when the polls predicted Obama was in the lead. What's changed since November?
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    Re: Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    All the time...was there last weekend, the weekend before, and the weekend directly following Christmas. Never used one, never seen one employed at a range, never seen one at a gun show, and Ive never seen one on a weapon at a gun store. OCCASIONALLY some will have on zip ties (though again...NEVER at a range).
    What state are you in? One with high gun violence rates?
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    Re: Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What state are you in? One with high gun violence rates?
    Actually...some of the lowest in the country.

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