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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Is it only coincidental that both cities are Democrat strongholds?
    Throw Detroit in there and celebrate a, "Hat Trick."

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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Cities are impossible to govern without a measure of corruption, and, I assure you, the cities were just as corrupt when the Republicans were the Party of the urban machines.

    Consider the case of William Hale Thompson, the last Republican mayor of Chicago:

    William Hale Thompson (May 14, 1869 – March 19, 1944) was Mayor of Chicago from 1915 to 1923 and again from 1927 to 1931. Known as "Big Bill",[1] Thompson was the last Republican to serve as Mayor of Chicago, and ranks among the most unethical mayors in American history...

    In 1915 he was elected as the 41st Mayor of Chicago. Early in his mayoral career, Thompson began to amass a war chest to support an eventual run for the Presidency by charging city drivers and inspectors $3 per month. He was mayor during the Chicago Race Riot of 1919 and was said to have control of the 75,000 African-American voters in his day...

    He ran again in 1927 during city wide gang war. Always a flamboyant campaigner, Thompson held a debate between himself and two live rats which he used to portray his opponents. Pledging to clean up Chicago and remove the crooks, Thompson instead turned his attention to the reformers, whom he considered the real criminals. According to Thompson, at this time the biggest enemy the United States had was King George V of the United Kingdom. Thompson promised his supporters that if they ever met, Thompson would punch the king in the nose.[1] Al Capone's support allowed Thompson to return to the mayor's office using such tactics as the "Pineapple Primary" which occurred (April 10, 1928), so-called because of the hand grenades thrown at polling places to disrupt voting. The St. Valentine's Day Massacre also took place while Thompson was mayor.
    It is not the Democratic Party of today that makes the cities corrupt, anymore than it was the Republican Party in the time of William Hale Thompson that corrupted them. It is their nature as cities themselves.
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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin has been indicted on 21 federal corruption charges including wire fraud, bribery and money laundering.
    To get back to the original topic: It's about time.
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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Is it only coincidental that both cities are Democrat strongholds?
    I do not think it is coincidental at all. Both cities have much in common in the equation of lawlessness. However, I could not formulate my opinion in words without offending some people and possibly turning the thread into a heated argument regarding the common problems often shared by particular cultures. And it does so happen that these particular cultures do tend to vote democrat.

    So, whereas, I do agree with what you're getting at, I do not consider it to be coincidental at all. In fact, I consider it rather predictable.

    But we really shouldn't discuss it.

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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not accepting your premise (that crime results primarily from upbringing and race allows us to guess his), but I still have a question even allowing the premise to stand: It doesn't bother you when whites (presumably) do the same?
    Marsden might be wrong had every black moyor if New Orleans hadn't been indicted for corruption.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Marsden might be wrong had every black moyor if New Orleans hadn't been indicted for corruption.
    It looks likes there have only been two black mayors of New Orleans, and only one has been indicted for corruption. Should we really be drawing the conclusion that this comes from his race.
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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    It looks likes there have only been two black mayors of New Orleans, and only one has been indicted for corruption. Should we really be drawing the conclusion that this comes from his race.
    I certainly hope not. Someone might then look at Chicago and the governors of Illinois...
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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not accepting your premise (that crime results primarily from upbringing and race allows us to guess his), but I still have a question even allowing the premise to stand: It doesn't bother you when whites (presumably) do the same?
    I agree with his premise if you remove the word black out of it. And yes, it bothers me when whites do the same.

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    Re: Ex- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin indicted

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    It looks likes there have only been two black mayors of New Orleans, and only one has been indicted for corruption. Should we really be drawing the conclusion that this comes from his race.
    Actually, there's been three and they were all either indicted, or investigated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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