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    Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    The Associated Press: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package
    President Barack Obama is announcing a $500 million package of executive actions and legislative proposals aimed at reducing gun violence a month after a mass shooting in Connecticut killed 20 elementary school children.
    The package includes a call on Congress to ban military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazine and it would close loopholes in the gun sale background check system.
    Obama also is signing 23 executive actions — which require no congressional approval — including several aimed at improving access to data for background checks. A presidential memorandum will instruct the Centers for Disease Control to research causes and prevention of gun violence.
    In addition, Obama will nominate Todd Jones as director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Jones currently is the acting director of the agency.
    Overall, it seems to be on par with the speculation. Realistically, the legislative proposals will not make it through Congress. I would have liked to see more focus on increasing security at soft targets such as malls and schools. I don't see how any of it will stop another mass shooting from taking place.

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    Obama unveils gun-control proposals - The Washington Post
    Obama’s plan also includes reinstating and strengthening the assault weapons ban, restoring a 10-round limit on ammunition magazines, getting rid of armor-piercing bullets, ending a freeze on research into gun violence and providing additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime. It calls on Congress to pass a $4 billion proposal to help communities keep 15,000 police officers on the streets, as well as new gun trafficking legislation that would “impose serious penalties on those who help get guns into the hands of criminals,” according to the White House fact sheet.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Good luck paying for it without Congress.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    None of what he proposes would have stopped Sandy Hook.

    None of it.

    So its just the liberal slimery using the blood of 27 innocent victims to perpetuate a long standing liberal dream.

    To disarm or attempt to disarm the American public.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    So far what I've been able to read, the executive orders deal mostly with existing background checks and such.

    Looks like any potential bans would be left up to Congress.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Typical Obama logic:

    It calls on Congress to pass a $4 billion proposal to help communities keep 15,000 police officers on the streets...
    The answer to all problems is more income redistribution, increasing federal gov't power and ignoring any personal responsibility. Congress should give him a resounding NO, unless the Obama "crisis" legislation reduces other gov't spending under the "pay as you go" rules that Obama seems so fond of. Since when did paying for local police officers, teachers and firefighters become a federal power? All should ask why a nation that "lacks resources" to secure our border and enforce immigration law needs more "resources" to fight local crime or divert more federal prosecution efforts to those "selling guns" than those commiting violent crime with them. Anyone "in charge" of running fast & fuzzy that now wants to stop illegal gun sales has got to be questioned.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    On a positive note, Obama has finally nominated a director of the ATF.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    I made a bunch of notes while I was watching/listening to the speech.....

    On Mr. Biden's Comments:

    "The Nation's Conscience"... The US hasn't had a Conscience since at least 1865, and possibly longer back than that.

    He talked about meeting with all these groups and people. How about turning to the Founding Document of the nation instead, or at least in addition to doing that, Joe? Ever think of that?

    The appeals to emotion rather than facts and reason are getting very old, very quick with many of us.


    On Mr. Obama's Comments:

    He spoke about bringing all those voices to the table. How about bringing the US Constitution to the table as well.

    We now allow children to make policy for the US Government? Do they now get to plan the school lunch menus and their own bedtimes as well?

    More appeals to emotion. 900+ dead from firearms in the last month. Okay. How many have died in car accidents, from cancer, or heart disease in that same period of time?

    He comments that he's going to sign TWENTY-THREE Executive Orders and tells us about THREE of them.... Strengthening Background Checks, School Resource Officers and Violence Prevention Classes in Schools, and telling the CDC to study gun violence. Okay. So what's in the other TWENTY Executive Orders?

    He announces the things he wants Congress to do, which he should know are not going to happen...

    Universal Background Checks. He tells us background checks have stopped 1.5 million illegal purchases in the last 14 years, but leaves out that almost NONE of those people have been PROSECUTED for making those attempts.

    The Assault Weapons Ban, for which his highest praise is that a Liberal, West Coast Democrat - Ronald Reagan - supported it in 1994.

    Magazine Ban on more than 10 round mags, which he doesn't discuss at all.

    Increasing the penalties for Straw Purchases. What's the point when the Government hasn't bothered to actually PROSECUTE these people when they've caught them in the past?

    Nomination of Todd Jones to be the permanent director of BATFE. Isn't this the guy who let Holder run the stupid Fast & Furious program?

    Funding for local LEO's. Where is that money going to come from?


    "The only way we can change is if people demand it." - Wonderful. So why are you proposing things that The People are not demanding?

    "With rights come responsibilities" - Since when, and why doesn't this apply to the people on welfare too?

    "We are responsible for each other" - Since when, and where do you find that in the Founding Documents?

    "....Counting on us to keep them safe from harm" - Why? The SCOTUS has already ruled that the LEO's do NOT have the responsibility to protect citizens from harm, only to arrest those who break the law and help prosecute them. Why would anyone place their safety and well-being in the hands of ANYONE ELSE, nevermind the Government, which is probably the least useful group to help with that?

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Overall, it seems to be on par with the speculation.
    If it had been on par with the speculation here on DP, I would have taken my family to one of the bug out spots around the country to avoid the warfare.

    Thankfully, it's much more banal than the breathless speculation from some fronts.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    In particular, it seems odd that the CDC has been prevented from studying gun violence.

    wtf is up w/ that?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If it had been on par with the speculation here on DP, I would have taken my family to one of the bug out spots around the country to avoid the warfare.

    Thankfully, it's much more banal than the breathless speculation from some fronts.
    Not the initial speculation, but it is close to what people have been saying for the last couple of days here. There were some extreme predictions but most seemed to think it would be along these lines.

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