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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    All kinds of hoops? Is that what you would consider it if the weapon you sold was used to kill you or yours or in the commission of a crime? My damned good reason is that the world does not stop at the Arizona border that weapon you sold to some one could be used to kill me or mine in NJ.
    There you go again assuming the worst just because we're talking about guns.

    I'm going to assume that you don't feel the same way about giving a gift of a bottle of wine. How do you know that the person you're giving it to won't drink it and then get in the car and kill someone?

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    They study all sorts of other injuries. Why not gun related ones?
    Not all firearm related injuries are crimes btw.
    No firearm injury/death is a disease! You, And Obama, simply see them as Center for _____ Control, and allow the _____ to be anything that is a "crisis", as long as it results in some more "control". Get real!
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No firearm injury/death is a disease! You, And Obama, simply see them as Center for _____ Control, and allow the _____ to be anything that is a "crisis", as long as it results in some more "control". Get real!
    I would imagine the CDC is being used to find ways to detect mentally unstable people that are more prone to violence easier. There are diseases which affect the mind and causes people to become violent. I admit that it would be nice if we could detect these diseases sooner and apply that knowledge to restricting guns from them.

    However I do object, like you, that the CDC should have nothing to do with guns in their studies. They are suppose to detect diseases and find cures for diseases. Guns are not a disease and cannot cause diseases. The fact that the CDC was called in makes me wonder if they are trying to link gun ownership to some sort of disease just so they can find a way to ban guns legally.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would imagine the CDC is being used to find ways to detect mentally unstable people that are more prone to violence easier. There are diseases which affect the mind and causes people to become violent. I admit that it would be nice if we could detect these diseases sooner and apply that knowledge to restricting guns from them.

    However I do object, like you, that the CDC should have nothing to do with guns in their studies. They are suppose to detect diseases and find cures for diseases. Guns are not a disease and cannot cause diseases. The fact that the CDC was called in makes me wonder if they are trying to link gun ownership to some sort of disease just so they can find a way to ban guns legally.
    That is precisely what the Obamatrons have in mind. They seek to "predetermine" what "may be" signs of "mental instability" (like voting incorrectly or being a racist?) that show "clear indications" that one should not be allowed to buy a gun, for now. You will, of course, be given a "fair" hearing (perhaps after a long, long, cooling off period) in front of an "impartial" jury (of their peers?) and be presented "valid evidence" of government approved "experts" and, just as a "reasonable precaution", be denied buying a gun until the verdict (and any appeals) are concluded.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is precisely what the Obamatrons have in mind. They seek to "predetermine" what "may be" signs of "mental instability" (like voting incorrectly or being a racist?) that show "clear indications" that one should not be allowed to buy a gun, for now. You will, of course, be given a "fair" hearing (perhaps after a long, long, cooling off period) in front of an "impartial" jury (of their peers?) and be presented "valid evidence" of government approved "experts" and, just as a "reasonable precaution", be denied buying a gun until the verdict (and any appeals) are concluded.
    Anyone else think this has undertones of the film Minority Report? Here's the preview for anyone who hasn't seen it:


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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is precisely what the Obamatrons have in mind. They seek to "predetermine" what "may be" signs of "mental instability" (like voting incorrectly or being a racist?) that show "clear indications" that one should not be allowed to buy a gun, for now. You will, of course, be given a "fair" hearing (perhaps after a long, long, cooling off period) in front of an "impartial" jury (of their peers?) and be presented "valid evidence" of government approved "experts" and, just as a "reasonable precaution", be denied buying a gun until the verdict (and any appeals) are concluded.
    Even if found innocent you still have places like NYC who deny gun ownership for a simple thing like a traffic ticket so....
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its a great example of the screwed up priorities of conservatives that didn't bat an eye over $3 trillion for the needless GOP war in Iraq, but oppose just $500 million to reduce gun violence in our own country.
    Well Lets remember those Facts of all the Democrats that voted for Iraq and the funding of it. Leaving only a very scant few that didn't.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Even if found innocent you still have places like NYC who deny gun ownership for a simple thing like a traffic ticket so....
    Yep, that is a "clear indication" that you buck authority, have no respect for the rule of law and will abuse any privilege (the new definition of "unpopular" Constitutional rights), so that is indeed a "reasonable restriction".
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well Lets remember those Facts of all the Democrats that voted for Iraq and the funding of it. Leaving only a very scant few that didn't.
    The facts are 60% of Democrats voted against AOF in Iraq vs less than 3% of Republicans that voted against it.

    "# 82 (40%) of 208 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.
    # 6 (<3%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution"

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The facts are 60% of Democrats voted against AOF in Iraq vs less than 3% of Republicans that voted against it.

    "# 82 (40%) of 208 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.
    # 6 (<3%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution"

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Yeah and now looks up all those Leaders of the Democrats. You will find each and every Notable Democrat that did. That's all their Front line faces. Other than maybe one or two that didn't. Still took Congress to Back Bush.

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