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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This **** works though, because the masses are stupid idiots.
    November 6, 2012, was a most unpleasant confirmation that $hit sells.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Registration is not going to stop gun violence. A person that has a registered gun in their name is just as capable of committing a crime with that gun as a criminal. Might be rare but it is still a possibility. A background check is not going to stop someone that has never been considered mentally unstable from buying a gun.
    Being required to register a weapon and having a background check completed should not be a problem for a non violent weapon owner, what it may do is prevent a gun owner from selling a weapon to a known felon or to a person who has a mental problem

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    So I should simply presume that everyone around me is a criminal? That's asinine.
    You will not be expected to presume any thing, you will be required to sell or buy your weapon from a licensed gun dealer who will do a background check on anyone purchasing a weapon

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    To your first point, you're wrong. You can already privately sell your firearm through an FFL (as anyone who has sold online is fully aware of). This should be a federal law (and has broad support). As to your second point, addressing mental health in this country and talking openly about it does address what transpired at Sandy Hook. And finally your last point really highlights the truth in this debate (though not directly). Conservatives don't believe in any regulation on gun control. Feel free to vilify the President. But to suggest that he is merely capitalizing on an event and not following through with his true beliefs is very misguided.
    I agree Obama really believes in strict gun control, but in my eyes he is capitalizing on it with the schmarmy "little johnny wrote to me that he wants everyone to live" garbage. Come on man, you know it was lame.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    You will not be expected to presume any thing, you will be required to sell or buy your weapon from a licensed gun dealer who will do a background check on anyone purchasing a weapon
    But why just guns?

    If you are going to encumber me with the burden of having to jump through all kinds of hoops to dispose of a personal item within my own state then you had better have a damned good reason to do so. What reason is that?

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    But why just guns?

    If you are going to encumber me with the burden of having to jump through all kinds of hoops to dispose of a personal item within my own state then you had better have a damned good reason to do so. What reason is that?
    All kinds of hoops? Is that what you would consider it if the weapon you sold was used to kill you or yours or in the commission of a crime? My damned good reason is that the world does not stop at the Arizona border that weapon you sold to some one could be used to kill me or mine in NJ.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    The Associated Press: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package


    Overall, it seems to be on par with the speculation. Realistically, the legislative proposals will not make it through Congress. I would have liked to see more focus on increasing security at soft targets such as malls and schools. I don't see how any of it will stop another mass shooting from taking place.

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    Obama unveils gun-control proposals - The Washington Post


    Its a great example of the screwed up priorities of conservatives that didn't bat an eye over $3 trillion for the needless GOP war in Iraq, but oppose just $500 million to reduce gun violence in our own country.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    I can agree with that. On the flip side if a gun is found at the scene of a violent crime or maybe just laying in the street somewhere the police have a place to start looking for the owner or the criminal which ever the case may be.
    Oh well if this is all about solving crime then why not just put RFID chips in everyones brain the day they are born? Wouldn't that make finding the killers easier also?

    Point being that this country is suppose to be a country where the innocent are innocent until proven guilty. That people have a right to guns and privacy. And when you start treating everyone as if they are all criminals or potential criminals then something is seriously wrong and we are no longer that type of country were freedom is the most important thing.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Being required to register a weapon and having a background check completed should not be a problem for a non violent weapon owner, what it may do is prevent a gun owner from selling a weapon to a known felon or to a person who has a mental problem
    Bold: Key word there..."May". You're basing laws on what "may" happen. It's not that hard to take a gun apart, file off all the serial numbers and rebore the gun so that ballistics will not match what was registered.

    Underlined: And I can't believe you just used the ole' "if you're not doing anything wrong then you should have no problem with this law" arguement. That line has been used to justify alot of infringments on rights. Sorry but not this time. My rights are far more important, especially in this case since it is about defense not only from criminals but also about defense from a tyrannical government.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Um, what exactly does the CDC have to with studying ANY crime?
    They study all sorts of other injuries. Why not gun related ones?
    Not all firearm related injuries are crimes btw.
    I may be wrong.

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