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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

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    The Associated Press: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package


    Overall, it seems to be on par with the speculation. Realistically, the legislative proposals will not make it through Congress. I would have liked to see more focus on increasing security at soft targets such as malls and schools. I don't see how any of it will stop another mass shooting from taking place.

    Update: More info

    Obama unveils gun-control proposals - The Washington Post
    I don't believe we need more security... The truth is that gun violence really hasn't gone up - it's just the media sensationalizing anomalies...

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

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    Harvard School of Public Health Harvard Injury Control Research Center Homicide

    Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study

    guncontrol.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/.../moregunsmoredeaths2012.pdf




    "In 2010, 13,186 people died in terrorist attacks worldwide; in that same year, in America alone, 31,672 people lost their lives in gun-related deaths, according to numbers complied by Tom Diaz – until recently, a senior analyst at the Violence Policy Center. "
    More Americans killed in gun deaths than in terrorist attacks – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs





    It means under US rule of law, the 1994 ban has never been ruled unconstitutional. If you want to change the rule of law, that is another discussion.
    One of those links is from an obviously biased site. The other is from a .org journal. Worthless. The one that might have saved you is nothing more than a list of books and journals and whats in them, with no conclusion mentioned in each of them beyond what the title says. No way of knowing how any of those methods were conducted or anything. Indeed most of those journals and books are done by the same people. Each and everyone of them gun control activists no doubt.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

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    Perhaps you should take your legal challenge to court, if the ban passes. The 1994 ban was never challenged in court.
    It was challenged twice once in 1999 ( Navegar vs US) and once in 2002 ( Olympic Arms vs Buckles). I can't explain why we didn't see more challenges during the last ban as I was not very politically motivated and busy trying to start a family. I have no doubt there will be challenges this time around.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    It was challenged twice once in 1999 ( Navegar vs US) and once in 2002 ( Olympic Arms vs Buckles). I can't explain why we didn't see more challenges during the last ban as I was not very politically motivated and busy trying to start a family. I have no doubt there will be challenges this time around.
    Link please.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

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    Link please.
    If Congress, W.H. wanted to ban assault weapons, could they? - POLITICO.com

    About 3/4 of the way down the article.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

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    Nothing there about a 2nd Amendment case against the 1994 federal ban. But there was this:

    "The federal courts have not given much previous guidance on whether a federal assault weapons ban would pass Second Amendment muster, but Winkler says he suspects one would be upheld by the Supreme Court."

    and this:

    "I suspect that many judges, like many other people, would believe you don’t need an assault weapon for self-defense.”

    and this:

    “In the 1990s, the NRA was determined to avoid a Supreme Court ruling on the Second Amendment and refused to bring Second Amendment challenges,”
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nothing there about a 2nd Amendment case against the 1994 federal ban. But there was this:

    "The federal courts have not given much previous guidance on whether a federal assault weapons ban would pass Second Amendment muster, but Winkler says he suspects one would be upheld by the Supreme Court."

    and this:

    "I suspect that many judges, like many other people, would believe you don’t need an assault weapon for self-defense.”

    and this:

    “In the 1990s, the NRA was determined to avoid a Supreme Court ruling on the Second Amendment and refused to bring Second Amendment challenges,”

    You are right it was not fought under the 2nd Amendment banner but the law itself was challenged.

    In Navegar v. U.S., the law was challenged under the Commerce Clause and Bill of Attainder Clause, but the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Oct. 1999 upheld it 3-0.

    In August 2002, an appeals court upheld the law 3-0 again. This time, in Olympic Arms v. Buckles, the ban was (unfruitfully) challenged under the Fifth Amendment equal protection clause.

    I believe many law abiding citizens will regard a ban as an infringement of their right to bear arms regardless of what a judge says. I can understand why the NRA didn't want it to go to court. It is basically a roll of the dice on how it will be interpreted by these judges. It will be a bigger challenge these days.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

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    You are right it was not fought under the 2nd Amendment banner but the law itself was challenged.
    That's all I was claiming. Thanks!

    In Navegar v. U.S., the law was challenged under the Commerce Clause and Bill of Attainder Clause, but the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Oct. 1999 upheld it 3-0.

    In August 2002, an appeals court upheld the law 3-0 again. This time, in Olympic Arms v. Buckles, the ban was (unfruitfully) challenged under the Fifth Amendment equal protection clause.

    I believe many law abiding citizens will regard a ban as an infringement of their right to bear arms regardless of what a judge says. I can understand why the NRA didn't want it to go to court. It is basically a roll of the dice on how it will be interpreted by these judges. It will be a bigger challenge these days.

    They are welcome to challenge the ban in court if it passes, just as they were during the decade of the 1994 ban when it was never found to be in violation of 2nd Amendment rights.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    The Associated Press: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package


    Overall, it seems to be on par with the speculation. Realistically, the legislative proposals will not make it through Congress. I would have liked to see more focus on increasing security at soft targets such as malls and schools. I don't see how any of it will stop another mass shooting from taking place.

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    Obama unveils gun-control proposals - The Washington Post
    Congress can squash it with 2/3rds the vote.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    If Obama keeps his shenanigans up he will be impeached....

    That little punk has absolutely no idea what his limitations are. If he even attempts to pass a "comprehensive gun reform" executive order his ass is impeached on charges of treason.

    You can bet republicans are just waiting for that to happen...

    Let's just see how daring and stupid our president actually is.

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