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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Sorry I did not realize that you had a degree in psychology, just my opinion but you appear not to give a s--t
    It is neither my job nor my responsibility to formally evaluate someone's mental condition. I AM required to exercise due diligence when conducting a firearms transaction and I fulfill that obligation. Frankly, it's none of my business what someone's personal history is and it would be improper for me to make too much of an inquiry. In this nation we presume that people are innocent until they can be prove themselves not to be. Again and again and again, we are responsible for acting reasonably and it is entirely unreasonable to simply assume that someone is a psycho or a homicidal maniac.

    Now, all that being said, I would NEVER sell, lend turn a blind eye to a firearms transaction where the purchaser appears to be intoxicated or otherwise irrational. The same applies to a transaction with someone whom I know or have a reasonable belief is prone to criminal violence.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Losing a few less per each event is the purpose of the ban.
    Would it not be better to have armed security watch over our kids to prevent possibly only the death of the assailant? This ensures our kids are safe and our rights are not diminished.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    Would it not be better to have armed security watch over our kids to prevent possibly only the death of the assailant? This ensures our kids are safe and our rights are not diminished.
    I meant to say only the assailant would be shot.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    So the goal here is to decrease the "losses per event" by a few, meaning they are still going to happen and be pretty much the same. The cost of this to the law abiding normal gun owner is a lot of freedom. Why is this a good idea again?

    Shouldn't we be approaching these "events" in a more productive manner? Like say improving the mental health of the people that flip out and go on these rampages? The way I see it, even if we could somehow disarm the entire country, the psychos will just switch to something else when they want to go kill a bunch of people on their way out.

    Why are we trying to fix a broken engine by changing the windshield?

    No court has ruled that an AW & HCM ban represents an infringement of the 2nd Amendment. And yes, reducing the number of kills in mass murders is absolutely worth our efforts. Improving access for mental health as well as incorporating that info into background checks for all gun sales are proposed and will also help. It will be harder for a whacked out pussy to kill large numbers of people by other methods. Many of them wouldn't be up to it.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    Would it not be better to have armed security watch over our kids to prevent possibly only the death of the assailant? This ensures our kids are safe and our rights are not diminished.
    Studies show that more guns have not reduced gun deaths. The US has more guns than any country on the planet yet we have the most gun deaths of innocents. Dead people forfeit all their freedoms permanently. And there has been no court ruling that an AW and HCM ban restricts anyone's rights.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    None of what he proposes would have stopped Sandy Hook.

    None of it.

    So its just the liberal slimery using the blood of 27 innocent victims to perpetuate a long standing liberal dream.

    To disarm or attempt to disarm the American public.
    Very true, it will just be another failed attempt to control an arms trade that can easily get around the system just due to the vast availability of guns. The only way to handle this situation is a complete ban and a concerted effort to severly limit the amount of firearms there are in the US.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Studies show that more guns have not reduced gun deaths.
    Show those studies please. Because last I looked those states with less gun control have far less deaths due to a gun than those states with more gun control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The US has more guns than any country on the planet yet we have the most gun deaths of innocents.
    Yes the US does have more guns than any other country. But the rest of that sentence you're going to have to prove.

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    And there has been no court ruling that an AW and HCM ban restricts anyone's rights.
    No court ruling doesn't mean squat. A law that is unconstitutional is still unconstitutional.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Studies show that more guns have not reduced gun deaths. The US has more guns than any country on the planet yet we have the most gun deaths of innocents. Dead people forfeit all their freedoms permanently. And there has been no court ruling that an AW and HCM ban restricts anyone's rights.
    I believe more guns in the right places with users that are trained would be better than taking from those that use them lawfully. Besides wouldn't my idea cover us in case we have someone who is not supposed to have a gun come into a school or movie theater? Better to be covered completely? I had a lengthy conversation with three local police officers. They all agreed that having an armed guard in every school is better than banning weapons. They all three have children around the same age as those lost in Sandy Hook. All three also volunteered to post once a week at no charge on their day off. I assume many others would also do the same.

    My opinion is that a ban that effects law abiding gun owners who may want to buy an AR is restricting rights. Right now there is no ban so we are not restricted. If they pass a ban then it will restrict.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    I believe more guns in the right places with users that are trained would be better than taking from those that use them lawfully. Besides wouldn't my idea cover us in case we have someone who is not supposed to have a gun come into a school or movie theater? Better to be covered completely? I had a lengthy conversation with three local police officers. They all agreed that having an armed guard in every school is better than banning weapons. They all three have children around the same age as those lost in Sandy Hook. All three also volunteered to post once a week at no charge on their day off. I assume many others would also do the same.

    My opinion is that a ban that effects law abiding gun owners who may want to buy an AR is restricting rights. Right now there is no ban so we are not restricted. If they pass a ban then it will restrict.
    Perhaps you should take your legal challenge to court, if the ban passes. The 1994 ban was never challenged in court.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Show those studies please. Because last I looked those states with less gun control have far less deaths due to a gun than those states with more gun control.
    Harvard School of Public Health Harvard Injury Control Research Center Homicide

    Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study

    guncontrol.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/.../moregunsmoredeaths2012.pdf


    Yes the US does have more guns than any other country. But the rest of that sentence you're going to have to prove.
    "In 2010, 13,186 people died in terrorist attacks worldwide; in that same year, in America alone, 31,672 people lost their lives in gun-related deaths, according to numbers complied by Tom Diaz until recently, a senior analyst at the Violence Policy Center. "
    More Americans killed in gun deaths than in terrorist attacks – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs


    No court ruling doesn't mean squat. A law that is unconstitutional is still unconstitutional.

    It means under US rule of law, the 1994 ban has never been ruled unconstitutional. If you want to change the rule of law, that is another discussion.
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