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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Hows is that with 9mm clips with 16 in the clip and one in the chamber.Haven't been travelin down those Neighborhoods of Chicago much have ya? How fast do you think a mad-man takes to reload to the additional 16 totaling 32 rounds? Mins or seconds? Does it just matter the kills or do you think it matters with those that get shot by an individual that the Federal Government cannot do anything to stop that individual from committing an act of armed violence?
    A 9mm with 16 in the clip would be a high capacity. The task force doesn't claim their proposals will stop every death. There purpose is to reduce gun violence, especially the number of kills in mass murder events that have been carried out so frequently with high capacity magazines.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    There is also an implication that we are talking about murder – not accidental death or suicide. Half of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides; that percentage is considerably less for those under age 20.
    The Moderate Voice (Meme-Busting: Do 85% of the children who die from gun violence live in the US? | The Moderate Voice)

    How many deaths are we talking about?

    Unintentional Injury Deaths / Homicides / Suicides by Firearm (2010)
    Age 1-4 : 68 total; 25 firearm injury deaths; 43 homicides
    Age 5-9 : 69 total; 11 firearm injury deaths; 58 homicides
    Age 10-14 : 213 total; 26 firearm injury deaths; 107 homicides; 80 suicides
    Age 15-19 : 2,234 total; 72 firearm injury deaths; 1,554 homicides; 668 suicides

    There is also an implication that we are talking about murder – not accidental death or suicide. Half of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides; that percentage is considerably less for those under age 20.
    The Moderate Voice (Meme-Busting: Do 85% of the children who die from gun violence live in the US? | The Moderate Voice)

    How many deaths are we talking about?

    Unintentional Injury Deaths / Homicides / Suicides by Firearm (2010)
    Age 1-4 : 68 total; 25 firearm injury deaths; 43 homicides
    Age 5-9 : 69 total; 11 firearm injury deaths; 58 homicides
    Age 10-14 : 213 total; 26 firearm injury deaths; 107 homicides; 80 suicides
    Age 15-19 : 2,234 total; 72 firearm injury deaths; 1,554 homicides; 668 suicides

    The Moderate Voice (Meme-Busting: Do 85% of the children who die from gun violence live in the US? | The Moderate Voice)

    Top two causes of death by unintentional injury (2010)
    Age 1-4 : 1,110 total; 436 drownings, 343 motor vehicle accidents
    Age 5-9 : 1,394 total; 343 motor vehicle accidents, 134 drownings
    Age 10-14 : 885 total; 452 motor vehicle accidents, 117 drownings
    Age 15-19 : 4,537 total; 2,895 motor vehicle accidents, 744 poisonings

    Top two causes of death by homicide (2010)
    Age 1-4 : 385 total; 163 unspecified; 84 other, classifiable
    Age 5-9 : 111 total; 58 firearm; 13 unspecified
    Age 10-14 : 150 total; 107 firearm; 16 cut/pierce
    Age 15-19 : 1,832 total; 1,554 firearm; 147 cut/pierce

    Top two causes of death by suicide (2010)
    Age 10-14 : 267 total; 168, suffocation; 60 firearm
    Age 15-19 : 1,659 total; 752, suffocation; 668 firearm

    The Moderate Voice (Meme-Busting: Do 85% of the children who die from gun violence live in the US? | The Moderate Voice)

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    Not to mention that crime has gone down and that is despite the FBI and their all-time high of Confiscation of weapons.


    That has nothing to do with the post you responded to!
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    Good find. I was wrong. And you are correct in saying that had the ban stayed in place he would not have been able to use that weapon. Given his state of mind I am certain he would have taken the shotgun that they found in the car and both handguns instead. We may have lost a few less but the massacre still would have taken place.

    Losing a few less per each event is the purpose of the ban.
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Losing a few less per each event is the purpose of the ban.
    So the goal here is to decrease the "losses per event" by a few, meaning they are still going to happen and be pretty much the same. The cost of this to the law abiding normal gun owner is a lot of freedom. Why is this a good idea again?

    Shouldn't we be approaching these "events" in a more productive manner? Like say improving the mental health of the people that flip out and go on these rampages? The way I see it, even if we could somehow disarm the entire country, the psychos will just switch to something else when they want to go kill a bunch of people on their way out.

    Why are we trying to fix a broken engine by changing the windshield?
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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I try to act with reasonable prudence because it's unreasonable to assume that everyone is a closet psychopath.
    If you have or will sell a weapon will you or won't you perform a background check? Do you really think that is to much to ask?

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    If you have or will sell a weapon will you or won't you perform a background check? Do you really think that is to much to ask?
    If and when I sell a firearm it is to someone that I can reasonably trust to not be a psycho so no, I won't do a background check. If I have a concern I simply won't make the deal.

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    I recently have been getting into the whole gun control debate, especially after seeing the sandy hook conspiracies, and I stumbled across this:

    Porn Star Jessie Rogers talks gun control and even has a video of her shooting an AR 15 and interviewing what appears to be some sort of firearms expert. Regardless, I think its pretty cool that there are some females out there, especially porn stars lol, using their beauty and fame for a good cause, thats what I love to see! God Bless America!

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    So the goal here is to decrease the "losses per event" by a few, meaning they are still going to happen and be pretty much the same. The cost of this to the law abiding normal gun owner is a lot of freedom. Why is this a good idea again?

    Shouldn't we be approaching these "events" in a more productive manner? Like say improving the mental health of the people that flip out and go on these rampages? The way I see it, even if we could somehow disarm the entire country, the psychos will just switch to something else when they want to go kill a bunch of people on their way out.
    I think prevention should be the main goal, no matter what we do a few people will slip through the cracks

    1- Mandatory background checks and gun registration on all purchases and sales
    2-safe entries and exits to all public buildings
    A-metal detectors
    B-trained experienced armed guards
    3-Building lock downs
    a-limit access if a shooting or other incident occurs

    None of the 3 actions listed above would infringe on the 2nd amendment
    The costs associated could be held to a minimum if available on duty police or qualified national guard personnel are used

    i don't see why every thing has to be rocket science and create a war between political parties if we all have the same goals of protecting children and adults from deranged or suicidal mass killers. Mandatory background checks and gun registration on all sales and purchases should help keep some of the weapons out of the hands of criminals


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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If and when I sell a firearm it is to someone that I can reasonably trust to not be a psycho so no, I won't do a background check. If I have a concern I simply won't make the deal.
    Sorry I did not realize that you had a degree in psychology, just my opinion but you appear not to give a s--t

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    Re: Obama unveils $500 million gun violence package

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I think prevention should be the main goal, no matter what we do a few people will slip through the cracks

    1- Mandatory background checks and gun registration on all purchases and sales
    2-safe entries and exits to all public buildings
    A-metal detectors
    B-trained experienced armed guards
    3-Building lock downs
    a-limit access if a shooting or other incident occurs

    None of the 3 actions listed above would infringe on the 2nd amendment
    The costs associated could be held to a minimum if available on duty police or qualified national guard personnel are used

    i don't see why every thing has to be rocket science and create a war between political parties if we all have the same goals of protecting children and adults from deranged or suicidal mass killers. Mandatory background checks and gun registration on all sales and purchases should help keep some of the weapons out of the hands of criminals
    That sounds way better to me. The solutions make sense and would directly have an effect on the actual problems.
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