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Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

hawke812 said:
ALGIERS (Reuters) - Islamist militants attacked a gas field in Algeria on Wednesday, claiming to have kidnapped up to 41 foreigners including seven Americans in a dawn raid in retaliation for France's intervention in Mali, according to regional media reports.

The raiders were also reported to have killed three people, including a Briton and a French national.

An al Qaeda affiliated group said the raid had been carried out because of Algeria's decision to allow France to use its air space for attacks against Islamists in Mali, where French forces have been in action against al Qaeda-linked militants since last week.

"The site was attacked and occupied by a group of unidentified armed people at about 0500 UK time. Contact with the site is extremely difficult, but we understand that armed individuals are still occupying the In Amenas operations site," it said.
Algeria's official APS news agency said a Briton and an Algerian security guard had been killed and seven people were injured including two foreigners. A French national was also killed in the attack, a local source said.
Also among those reported kidnapped by various sources were five Japanese nationals working for the Japanese engineering firm JGC Corp, a French national, an Irishman, a Norwegian and a number of Britons.

Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field - Yahoo! News

Anyone notice how "armed militants" and "raiders" kill people in other countries, but "guns" kill people here in America? :lol:

If only they had gun free zones:lol:
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lol using Algeria as your example that gun control doesnt work is clutching at straws.
 
Grant said:
Do you acknowledge that Islamic terrorism is an international problem?
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Islamic terorrism is an international problem but not every follower of Islam is an Islamic terrorist.
 
TheNextEra said:
Islamic terorrism is an international problem but not every follower of Islam is an Islamic terrorist.
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If the average Muslim moderates are not willing to stand up and demand that Muslim Brotherhood influence be purged from Muslim organizations, then the radicals win, no matter how few their numbers.
 
TheNextEra said:
What is your solution to the problem?
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Over the years this has been the crux.

Guys like Marsden and Grant won't openly say it but it's pretty obvious they have an intense dislike for muslims, they say things that pretty much spell out that they believe that even if most muslims aren't actively violent, most of them passively support the violence.

When you confront them on this though they will deny it.

So they think there's a muslim problem...

Then you ask "What's your solution"

and they freeze up.

Never... not once... even from the hardest of the hardcore muslim haters that used to be at DP NEVER have they answered that question...

Actually that's not true, one person did.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-and-philosophy/74869-inside-mecca-13.html#post1058829959

SgtRock; said:
I say we make earth a muslim free zone.
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Higgins86 said:
lol using Algeria as your example that gun control doesnt work is clutching at straws.
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So the rules are I can only use the few countries where gun control works, and ignore the vast majority of countries where gun control does not work.

Makes perfect sense:lol:
 
Hard Truth said:
You are ignoring the impact of decades of American and European interference in middle eastern affairs which includes deposing democratically elected leaders, assassinations, bribery, and political and financial support of brutal dictators that got rich by impoverishing their countries. One reason the Islamists have flourished in recent years is that many of the USA supported dictators were more tolerant of religious organizations, even those with extremist views, than they were of any form of political dissent. Add to the mix our unwarranted bombings, invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq and the extra-judicial incarcerations, torture and murders and it is little wonder why those who hate the west may be gaining influence.
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I appreciate you adding some rational considerations to the Muslim hate fest going on here.
 
We're still having these debates? It's not 2005 anymore.

On a similar note, I don't know if you guys have been following the Mali incursions but it's quite clear that all this talk of "Islamism" is a great way to filter the advancement of imperial interests through the media into a legitimate pill that the public can easily digest.

Resistance movement fighting against the government affecting your natural resources? Call them Al Qa'ida and say you're going there to fight "the Islamist threat". Make some vague fearmongering point about how they could use that country as a "jumping off point" to target "the West" and voila, instant support.
 
marsden said:
If the average Muslim moderates are not willing to stand up and demand that Muslim Brotherhood influence be purged from Muslim organizations, then the radicals win, no matter how few their numbers.
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Putting it in large font doesn't make your point any better or any more wrong. There is more to it, but you are quite happy complaining from your nice place of residence or work in relative safety to say it.
 
hawke812 said:
So the rules are I can only use the few countries where gun control works, and ignore the vast majority of countries where gun control does not work.

Makes perfect sense:lol:
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you can use who you want but It would make more sense to me to use western, civilised countries as your example rather than violent muslim countries. But hey if you want to compare your country to a North African **** hole then go for it.
 
Grant said:
Actually, if you take the time to listen to what the current President of Egypt has to say you'll see that this "hate fest" is only coming from one direction.

Morsi in 2010: No to Negotiations with "the Descendants of Apes and Pigs"; Boycott US Products - YouTube

Where is your evidence of this Muslim hate fest? Please use quotes.
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Its most of the thread, here is the most recent:

"Actually, if you take the time to listen to what the current President of Egypt has to say you'll see that this "hate fest" is only coming from one direction."
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Khayembii Communique said:
We're still having these debates? It's not 2005 anymore.

On a similar note, I don't know if you guys have been following the Mali incursions but it's quite clear that all this talk of "Islamism" is a great way to filter the advancement of imperial interests through the media into a legitimate pill that the public can easily digest.

Resistance movement fighting against the government affecting your natural resources? Call them Al Qa'ida and say you're going there to fight "the Islamist threat". Make some vague fearmongering point about how they could use that country as a "jumping off point" to target "the West" and voila, instant support.
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Nah dude although I'm not on the muslim hatin bandwagon.

These guys in Mali are pretty bad guys and we gotta stop em... well we'll let the French stop em.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
We're still having these debates? It's not 2005 anymore.
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History ended in 2005?

On a similar note, I don't know if you guys have been following the Mali incursions but it's quite clear that all this talk of "Islamism" is a great way to filter the advancement of imperial interests through the media into a legitimate pill that the public can easily digest.
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It's quite clear? Others closer to the action have quite a different view.

Resistance movement fighting against the government affecting your natural resources? Call them Al Qa'ida and say you're going there to fight "the Islamist threat". Make some vague fearmongering point about how they could use that country as a "jumping off point" to target "the West" and voila, instant support.
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Right. It's all about oil, again.
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Khayembii Communique said:
"In the long term, France has interests in securing resources in the Sahel - particularly oil and uranium, which the French energy company Areva has been extracting for decades in neighboring Niger," said Sold.

The interests behind France's intervention in Mali | World | DW.DE | 16.01.2013

It's quite obvious why France is involved in Mali. I don't see how you could dispute this.
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Did you read your own link?

But sending troops to Mali represents a tightrope walk for France. The country may be out to defend its political and security interests, but there's a danger of seeming neo-colonialist. However, France is sticking to the demands of a UN mandate passed in December 2012.

"There is a defense agreement between France and Mali that was written for exactly such cases," stressed Alexander Stroh, a researcher at the German Institute of Global and Area Studies.

As such, France could be said to be simply fulfilling its obligations to Mali's government by preventing the rebel groups from marching on the capital.
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Jetboogieman said:
Over the years this has been the crux.

Guys like Marsden and Grant won't openly say it but it's pretty obvious they have an intense dislike for muslims, they say things that pretty much spell out that they believe that even if most muslims aren't actively violent, most of them passively support the violence.

When you confront them on this though they will deny it.

So they think there's a muslim problem...

Then you ask "What's your solution"

and they freeze up.

Never... not once... even from the hardest of the hardcore muslim haters that used to be at DP NEVER have they answered that question...

Actually that's not true, one person did.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...I'm reminded how easily we can all be fooled.
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Manc Skipper said:
Meanwhile, as the haters keep on hating, and the reasonable keep pointing it out, the Algerian government has gone in with tanks in a frontal assault. Early news suggests most of the local workers escaped, but few of the foreign workers have been so lucky. One Irish guy has phoned his family, but no news of anyone else so far.
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What I'm seeing on BBC World News suggests that the Algerians did not inform any western nations with hostages about the assault and that it may have caused more casualties.

Numbers may take time to reach London and other nations because they have not found all the hostages yet who may have hidden themselves or may still be held by terrorists as it is a large compound.
 
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