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    Re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If you were not an apologist, you would not be indulging in all these dishonest moral equivalencies and specious rationalizations -- themes originating in the rhetorec of the Islamist terrorists, themselves.

    If you weren't supporting every conceivable terrorist talking point as thoroughly as you are, I doubt whether anybody would consider you an apologist.
    I advocate non-violent change in the manner of MLK Jr. and Ghandi. I believe in the benefits of genuine representational democracy. I strongly support freedom of religion and religion-state separation. I consistently oppose all oppression of women, sexual minorities, and other minorities through my support of Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the ACLU. I advocate for fair trials for all defendents. I support the right to individual freedom and a right to privacy for consensual activities among consenting adults.

    Virtually all of my positions contradict those of the Taliban and other Islamist organizations or any movement that primarily uses violence to make social change. I have no problem with prosecuting all criminals who commit violent acts, no matter their reasons.

    Calling me a terrorist sympathizer is merely a way to try to silence or ignore me because the historic facts I brought up make you uncomfortable because they challenge your image of a righteous and innocent USA and Europe. My goal is to challenge the incorrect belief that the past and present policies and actions of the West have no impact on the distrust and hostility many Muslims have towards western intervention in the Muslim world. I doubt many people with a reasonable amount of knowledge about the West's actual behavior in the middle east and elsewhere would accept your position, which I believe is based on lack of historic knowledge.

    For example do you know about this?
    "During World War II, Iran was once again subject to British and Russian occupation.

    In 1951, after the assassination of prime minister Ali Razmara, Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister by a parliamentary vote which was then ratified by the Shah. As prime minister, Mosaddegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. In response, the British government, headed by Winston Churchill, embargoed Iranian oil and successfully enlisted the United States to join in a plot to depose the democratically elected government of Mosaddegh. In 1953 US President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax. The operation, supported by the Shah, was successful, and Mosaddegh was arrested on 19 August 1953. The coup was the first time the US had openly overthrown an elected, civilian government of another sovereign state.[85]
    The Shah visits the Kharg petrochemical complex, 1970

    After Operation Ajax, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi favoured American and British oil interests and his rule became increasingly autocratic."
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    Re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I advocate non-violent change in the manner of MLK Jr. and Ghandi. I believe in the benefits of genuine representational democracy. I strongly support freedom of religion and religion-state separation. I consistently oppose all oppression of women, sexual minorities, and other minorities through my support of Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the ACLU. I advocate for fair trials for all defendents. I support the right to individual freedom and a right to privacy for consensual activities among consenting adults.

    Virtually all of my positions contradict those of the Taliban and other Islamist organizations or any movement that primarily uses violence to make social change. I have no problem with prosecuting all criminals who commit violent acts, no matter their reasons.

    Calling me a terrorist sympathizer is merely a way to try to silence or ignore me because the historic facts I brought up make you uncomfortable because they challenge your image of a righteous and innocent USA and Europe. My goal is to challenge the incorrect belief that the past and present policies and actions of the West have no impact on the distrust and hostility many Muslims have towards western intervention in the Muslim world. I doubt many people with a reasonable amount of knowledge about the West's actual behavior in the middle east and elsewhere would accept your position, which I believe is based on lack of historic knowledge.

    For example do you know about this?
    "During World War II, Iran was once again subject to British and Russian occupation.

    In 1951, after the assassination of prime minister Ali Razmara, Dr. Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister by a parliamentary vote which was then ratified by the Shah. As prime minister, Mosaddegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. In response, the British government, headed by Winston Churchill, embargoed Iranian oil and successfully enlisted the United States to join in a plot to depose the democratically elected government of Mosaddegh. In 1953 US President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax. The operation, supported by the Shah, was successful, and Mosaddegh was arrested on 19 August 1953. The coup was the first time the US had openly overthrown an elected, civilian government of another sovereign state.[85]
    The Shah visits the Kharg petrochemical complex, 1970

    After Operation Ajax, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi favoured American and British oil interests and his rule became increasingly autocratic."
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    You are certainly free to prattle on with a bunch of faux outrage, but what you have been representing and what you claim to represent are separated by such an enormous gulf that they cannot possibly both be true.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

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